Since working full-time, taking on side projects, blogging, hanging out with the family and writing a book doesn’t keep me busy enough, I thought maybe I’d start a new web site called ExLowCarbers.com. The idea would be to “out” any traitors to the cause. Visitors to the site could, say, click a state on a map of the U.S. and see names and descriptions of ex-low-carbers who live there. Then, of course, the angry visitors find the traitors in cyberspace and shame them. I’ll even add the first listing myself: my buddy Richard Nikoley in California.
If that sounds like an incredibly stupid idea, it’s only because it’s incredibly stupid idea. Since I’m not a nutcase, I don’t get upset if Richard does some experimenting and finds that a higher-carb diet works better for him. More power to him. He also doesn’t get upset that I’ve found a low-carb, starch-free diet works best for me.
If only everyone were so sane. A couple of days ago, the aforementioned Richard Nikoley tweeted (in his characteristic colorful language) a link to a site that “outs” ex-vegans. The banner reads:
Vegan Sellout List
Calling Ex-Vegans Out By Name
Visitors are invited to submit information about ex-vegans to add to the list. Out of curiosity, I read some listings:
Chris Kresser: Vegan turned paleo guy. Runs a website about paleo topics. Now eats pure murder.
Bob Harper, former star on The Biggest Loser: This TV star felt his body was craving something. So like most weak-willed people, he went for the cheese. Oh but he loves his dog. Really. Hates cows, but his dog…
Naw, Bob probably just pretends those cows are Jillian Michaels before plunging a knife into them.
Angelo Orozco: Used to be vegan, but started eating meat when he opened his own Crossfit gym.
Hmmm … so it seems people become ex-vegans when they discover paleo works better for them, or start craving animal products, or open a gym and want to be strong. Those sound like people who are listening to their bodies instead of adhering to dogma.
Actually, if Chris Kresser is on the list, I’d kind of like to be there too. I wonder how long you have to be a vegan to sell out? During my vegetarian days, I went all-vegan for about a month. (I still have nightmares about the vegan cheesecake I tried to eat before throwing it away.) Perhaps I can report myself and get listed.
Here are some quotes from the Our Mission page:
Our mission to is provide an outlet for the unbalanced rage of the creator. It was either that or go take an axe to the meat aisle in my local Kroger.
Okay, I made that one up. Here are the real quotes:
If you’re no longer vegan, you’re going on the list.
Boy, I bet that scares ‘em silly. I wonder if the FBI could be persuaded to expand the witness protection program to include people on the ex-vegan list. I’m picturing ex-vegans and ex-mobsters playing poker together in an undisclosed location somewhere in Nebraska. (They’d be eating pastrami sandwiches, naturally.)
The spirits of the billions murdered have risen to deliver: The Vegan Sellout List – an online directory of those who have regressed from moral consistency to moral depravity.
If you believe the spirits of dead animals rose up and helped create your site, I’d suggest you eat a couple of eggs. Your brain is seriously deficient in cholesterol.
The Vegan Sellout List is our answer to the epidemic of vegan sellouts – those who are aware of the suffering caused by meat, dairy, egg, fur, and leather production, yet choose to look away while the animals suffer.
Look away? Nope. I look right at my chickens when I collect their eggs. Sometimes I yell, “Look! I’m taking away your children!” I’ll look right at them when they stop laying eggs and end up in the soup pot. I looked right at the raccoon that killed their hen-house mates — that’s how you aim a rifle, after all.
Selling out veganism is a trend on the upswing, bringing with it swarms of haughty, nose-turning carnists uttering nonsensical buzzwords re: veganism being “privileged”, or “trendy”, critiquing themselves into ethical degeneracy and paleo-terrorism.
Uh, wait a minute … if veganism is everything the vegan zealots say it is (the key to superior health, etc.), why the heck would abandoning veganism be a “trend on the upswing”? Perhaps it’s because a lot of people try being vegans and then say to themselves, “Man, I feel like @#$%! I’m ordering a steak!”
To those who have regressed from veganism, yet display symptoms of a soul not fully blackened to it’s core, we ask you to remind yourself why you were what you were.
Boy, wouldn’t whoever wrote that be a fun person to hang around with? I’m reminded of a joke:
Q: How many vegans does it take to change a light bulb?
A: That’s NOT FUNNY, you @#$%ing MURDERER!!!
Now, before all you non-preachy vegetarians with a good sense of humor go diving into the comments section to set me straight, allow me to beat you to it: yes, I know you’re not all like that. In a post awhile back, I wrote about a vegan I knew in Los Angeles who not only wasn’t preachy, her live-in boyfriend ate meat – just not in the house. He ordered bacon when I joined them for breakfast at a restaurant.
But if you’re honest, you have to admit that the vegan/vegetarian crowd (especially the vegan crowd) has more than its share of humorless zealots. Look what happened when a restaurant chain dared to make a joke in one of it commercials:
Are vegetarians humorless? It’s the question being asked this week after a Red Robin television ad offended herbivores by touting its 24 types of burgers and then noting, with an implied eye roll and mock whisper, “We even have a Gardenburger—just in case your teenage daughter is going through a phase.”
The commercial, part of a new campaign ad series, aired for about a week before being rotated out, as was planned from the start. But it prompted outrage among activists and on social media outlets, with a slew of horrified vegetarians taking the eatery to task for its condescending approach.
Horrified? Seriously? Let’s suppose the Red Robin commercial had ended with “We even have a double burger wrapped in lettuce – just in case your middle-aged husband is going through a ‘caveman’ phase.” Can you imagine Mark Sisson, or Robb Wolf, or Loren Cordain, or Jimmy Moore becoming outraged over that remark? I’m pretty sure they’d chuckle. I know I would.
“Though I applaud any fast food chain that offers a veggie burger, and I hope that more do, the idea that not eating animals is reserved solely for teenage girls going through a phase is obviously meant to insult both vegans and girls,” Jasmin Singer, executive director of Our Hen House, a New York-based multimedia vegan activism organization, told Yahoo! Shine.
There’s the difference again: I don’t believe there are any paleo activism organizations.
As for Red Robin promoting the stereotype that vegans tend to be teenage girls, gee, I wonder if there’s a reason for that stereotype? If we only we had some statistics …
Oh, wait – we do. According to this vegan website, 78% of the vegans in the U.S. are female, and 69% became a vegan by the age of 24. People didn’t come up with the notion that vegans tend to be young and female out of thin air. As a comedian, I can assure you that if Red Robin’s little joke didn’t have the ring of truth to it, it wouldn’t be funny.
Of course, if years of veganism caused your funny bone to wither away …
“My husband and I used to get your Gardenburger—but after your insulting ad, you have lost our business,” wrote one woman on the restaurant’s Facebook page, echoing the comments of an ever-growing slew of others. “I will never visit your restaurant again.”
One again, try to imagine me responding like that if Red Robin had made a joke about middle-aged men going through a “caveman” phase.
But can’t vegetarians just loosen up and realize it’s all in good fun?
Don’t be silly. See my joke above.
It was a question tackled by animal advocate and vegan blogger Katrina Donovan Fleming in a June 11 essay, “Just a Joke: Confessions of a ‘Humorless Vegan,'” on Our Hen House.
“Exclusionary humor and its acerbic aftertaste are nothing new, of course. Think of all the jokes that are based in racism. The dumb blond jokes. Antigay jokes. This type of humor is a not-so-subtle way of communicating to one’s companions: ‘We’re better,’” she observes.
Yes, I can see why you take these things so seriously. I remember the shameful period in our nation’s history when vegetarians weren’t allowed to drink from public fountains and had to ride in the back of the bus.
If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it at least twice: some people are only happy when they’re offended. It makes them feel important, especially if they can also convince themselves they’re being persecuted.
On a positive note for the vegan crowd, PETA is praising the baseball stadium in Philadelphia for being the most “vegetarian-friendly” of all the major league parks:
PETA cites “the unequaled meat-free chicken steak, followed closely by the unique and delicious vegetarian pit-beef barbecue. Other tantalizing cruelty-free treats include faux beef steak, a veggie dog, a black-bean burger, a vegetarian burrito, and calcium-rich hummus and pretzels. The fresh salads and fruit cups are perfect for fans looking for lighter fare.”
Meat-free chicken, barbecue, steaks and hot dogs. Interesting choices.
Note to the angry little pissant who created ExVegans.com: here’s why selling out on veganism is a “trend on the upswing”: nobody ever walked into a barbecue joint to order a rack of ribs and said, “By the way, can you make those things taste just like tofu?”
And yes, that’s funny.
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“Taste just like tofu”, and be filled with all sorts of unpronounceable ingredients, many of which would be made from seed oils. Ugh!
I saw the website even before our friend Richard tweeted it, and I’m afraid you don’t qualify – they say quite plainly they don’t accept submissions of those who pretended to be vegan or were vegan for a very short time. No, you have to have once been a True Believer to make it to this incredibly ludicrous site.
My biggest disappointment is that I cannot view the video on their “Not Vegan?” page; every time I try it tells me there are “connectivity issues.”
I tried to play it too. I thought at first there were “connective tissue issues.”
Hey, I’m a carnist! Do you have a t-shirt for that?
Yes, but we only wear them at our secret meetings.
Don’t forget the secret handshake.
Veganism has its own creation story (we evolved as herbivores), its own dietary laws (no animal products), a martyr complex, and now it’s formally outing and shunning people who leave the fold. I wonder how many vegans consider themselves “not religious”?
Probably most. So they found a substitute.
A lot of atheists follow sciencism…
I follow ‘realityism’, which leads to ‘logicism’, which necessarily leads to ‘sciencism’….
Hahaha. Really good. I heard a few interesting ideas about how ideologies hate humor. Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jlFRzsTcs
Now the video may upset a few people since it goes everywhere and the guy is an atheist/libertarian/anti-fradical-feminist, but it’s kinda funny and makes you think. 😉
Cheers,
Yeah, similar to a point I’ve made in a couple of posts: people who want to control you can tolerate it if you disagree with them, but they HATE IT when you make fun of them.
ON the website, did you click the link Not Vegan, it’s a link to a video and right below it says something like, if this did not convince you please kill yourself, gotta love that peaceful vegan attitude.
Vegan rage? What vegan rage?
So if someone is the Vegan Before Six diet (which deserves a blog post on its own), do they only appear on the list at night?
http://www.amazon.com/VB6-Before-Weight-Restore-Health/dp/0385344740
Quick — someone rewrite the lyrics to “Daytime Friends and Nighttime Lovers.”
I buy my meat at Whole Foods because it’s the only place in my area that sells beef free of antibiotics, chemicals, etc.
I’ve been shopping there for years and the other day it was slow and I started talking to one of the butchers about a certain cut and how he would prepare it.
Found out, he’s a vegetarian and was one before he became a butcher. He said he has no problem with other people eating meat he just prefers not eating it himself.
But more importantly, Tom, what do you think of this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/business/us-approves-a-label-for-meat-from-animals-fed-a-diet-free-of-gene-modified-products.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&utm_source=feedly&_r=0
Good news, but it amazes me that companies selling meats from animals who weren’t fed GMO crops had to get government approval to advertise that fact.
There is a book called Two Years Before the Mast by an author, last name Dana, who was a Harvard law student in the 1830’s. He lost his sight due to an illness and had to drop out of school while recovering. He could still see but reading had gotten to be too tedious. Because he didn’t want to be idle and wanted to see the world, he signed up as a common sailor on a trading ship to California. Imagine an ivy league kid doing that today without a gun to his head. Anyway the part I find amusing is where the author was talking about the very monotonous meal menu while anchored for months off the California coast collecting cattle hides. The crew would go through an ox every week, and they ate all of it nose to tail. Fresh beef was their entire diet. According to Mr. Dana he had never been in better health, not even a trace of scurvy as some might think…… and that Mr. Graham (as in Graham crackers) could take his vegetarian diet and stuff it….to paraphrase the author. Its very amusing to catch a glimpse of how far back the carnivore vs. vegetarian diet controversy goes in American pop culture.
It doesn’t surprise me that vegans tend to be teenage girls as vegan arguments are almost exclusively emotional appeals. Take that statement for what you will.
I understand the statement … although my daughter Sara is already fiercely logical at age 9, so anyone who tries those emotional appeals on her will be in for a surprise.
“I’m picturing ex-vegans and ex-mobsters playing poker together in an undisclosed location somewhere in Nebraska. (They’d be eating pastrami sandwiches, naturally.)”
WHAT? And risk winding up on ExPaleoEaters.com ???
There is that risk.
“The Vegan Sellout List is our answer to the epidemic of vegan sellouts”
Vegan Sellout=Person finally listening to the 911 calls its body is sending them.
A few notes:
1 – There seems to be a heightened level of immaturity that occurs when one becomes a vegan.
2 – The vegans don’t seem to mind going to a sporting event where the ball and gloves are made out of dead cattle.
3 – If I saw your suggestion for a commercial that jokes about the paleo version of a Red Robin Burger, it may just persuade me to get in my car and drive to Red Robin.
Ditto for me on #3.
Ask for your burger “protein style” and instead of a bun you get it with some sturdy iceberg lettuce. No wimpy wilty leaf lettuce. They will sub a salad for fries at no charge (if you’re into that sort of thing). They have a gluten free menu. And my local store is *not* posted as a criminal safe zone. It’s easier to get a my-way-of-eating compliant meal there than it is a lot of other places.
Hey, maybe we should all e-mail that last one to Red Robin and see what happens! It would be kind of cool to have a big chain like that, that us oddballs can go to with the guys from work or whatever and everybody can be happy. I don’t even mind if they serve veggie burgers at the table next to me!
A bit suspicious….a link at the bottom of their “Our Mission” page (ostensibly to be used by those who didn’t ‘rediscover’ their morals) goes to the comedic Uncyclopedia, to an entry on “How to: Suicide”, which includes the phrase :
“But seriously, if you do not know how to take a joke, call 1-800-….”
.
Of course, the joke is the “How to:Suicide” directions themselves and maybe a joke on any ex-vegan who’s angry at being referred to suicide – but I rather doubt that a site that exhibits 0 humor anywhere else suddenly found some at the end and obscurely. Then again, that’s just me. What do you think?
Seems unlikely. The rest of site doesn’t exactly read like The Onion. It would be a laugh to find out the whole thing is sarcastic.
I’d be pretty chuffed to be mentioned in company with the likes of Chris Kresser. Maybe oneday I’ll see the light and go through a “phase” – then I can be listed on ExCarnivores.com…
I guess my phase wasn’t long enough, according to the site’s rules.
Am I bad because I prefer humans that are grass fed?
Naw. And if you eat vegans, you can count them as vegetables.
Of course they’re vegetables, Tom. Haven’t you heard the line, “You are what you eat”?
Just a quibble, but Bob Harper was a trainer for most of the seasons of Biggest Loser. (Not that I have ever watched it, of course. Not me.)
I’ve never seen it. Thanks for the heads-up.
The inflammatory language that accompanies the ‘sellout’ listings are what really cracks me up. They sound like children or young teenagers throwing out insults.
I’d completely ignore such radical vegans if they hadn’t already been involved in domestic terrorism at some point.
Probably a young, unbalanced woman.
“Taste just like tofu”, and be filled with all sorts of unpronounceable ingredients, many of which would be made from seed oils. Ugh!
I saw the website even before our friend Richard tweeted it, and I’m afraid you don’t qualify – they say quite plainly they don’t accept submissions of those who pretended to be vegan or were vegan for a very short time. No, you have to have once been a True Believer to make it to this incredibly ludicrous site.
My biggest disappointment is that I cannot view the video on their “Not Vegan?” page; every time I try it tells me there are “connectivity issues.”
I tried to play it too. I thought at first there were “connective tissue issues.”
Hey, I’m a carnist! Do you have a t-shirt for that?
Yes, but we only wear them at our secret meetings.
Don’t forget the secret handshake.
Veganism has its own creation story (we evolved as herbivores), its own dietary laws (no animal products), a martyr complex, and now it’s formally outing and shunning people who leave the fold. I wonder how many vegans consider themselves “not religious”?
Probably most. So they found a substitute.
A lot of atheists follow sciencism…
I follow ‘realityism’, which leads to ‘logicism’, which necessarily leads to ‘sciencism’….
Vegan?? No such thing as shown in this picture:
http://cheezburger.com/5217451008
that is brilliant, thanks!
Here’s another: http://discovermagazine.com/2001/aug/featcow/?searchterm=“cow parts”
Hahaha. Really good. I heard a few interesting ideas about how ideologies hate humor. Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54jlFRzsTcs
Now the video may upset a few people since it goes everywhere and the guy is an atheist/libertarian/anti-fradical-feminist, but it’s kinda funny and makes you think. 😉
Cheers,
Yeah, similar to a point I’ve made in a couple of posts: people who want to control you can tolerate it if you disagree with them, but they HATE IT when you make fun of them.
This whole idea is as tasteless as most vegan foods. Why am I not surprised?
ON the website, did you click the link Not Vegan, it’s a link to a video and right below it says something like, if this did not convince you please kill yourself, gotta love that peaceful vegan attitude.
Vegan rage? What vegan rage?
Hey,
I am the owner of veganbits.com, the website that is referenced noting the vegan demographics.
I thought this article was hysterical!
Favorites:
* the witness protection program to include people on the ex-vegan list. I’m picturing ex-vegans and ex-mobsters playing poker together in an undisclosed location somewhere in Nebraska.
* Q: How many vegans does it take to change a light bulb? A: That’s NOT FUNNY, you @#$%ing MURDERER!!!
* I can see why you take these things so seriously. I remember the shameful period in our nation’s history when vegetarians weren’t allowed to drink from public fountains and had to ride in the back of the bus.
* nobody ever walked into a barbecue joint to order a rack of ribs and said, “By the way, can you make those things taste just like tofu?”
Really funny stuff!
btw, I do not fit the demographics at all. I am (a) not female (b) (well) over 35 (c) became vegan (well) past my 24th birthday.
My wife told me about the Red Robin commercial. I thought it was hysterical.
And I do attend NFL games where the ball is made of leather….
Personally, I don’t care what people eat or don’t eat. I always find it funny how militant the young vegans are. They say, “ugh. don’t eat that hamburger in front of me!” It’s the same as former smokers who are suddenly repulsed by the smell of cigarettes. Do people poke fun at Jews who attend synagogue three days a year, but eat bacon and lobster the rest of time. Just do what works for you. Have fun. Life’s too short…
Thanks again for the link! 🙂
A good sense of humor tells me you’re happy and secure in your beliefs. Thanks for weighing in.
So if someone is the Vegan Before Six diet (which deserves a blog post on its own), do they only appear on the list at night?
http://www.amazon.com/VB6-Before-Weight-Restore-Health/dp/0385344740
Quick — someone rewrite the lyrics to “Daytime Friends and Nighttime Lovers.”
I buy my meat at Whole Foods because it’s the only place in my area that sells beef free of antibiotics, chemicals, etc.
I’ve been shopping there for years and the other day it was slow and I started talking to one of the butchers about a certain cut and how he would prepare it.
Found out, he’s a vegetarian and was one before he became a butcher. He said he has no problem with other people eating meat he just prefers not eating it himself.
But more importantly, Tom, what do you think of this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/business/us-approves-a-label-for-meat-from-animals-fed-a-diet-free-of-gene-modified-products.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&utm_source=feedly&_r=0
Good news, but it amazes me that companies selling meats from animals who weren’t fed GMO crops had to get government approval to advertise that fact.
There is a book called Two Years Before the Mast by an author, last name Dana, who was a Harvard law student in the 1830’s. He lost his sight due to an illness and had to drop out of school while recovering. He could still see but reading had gotten to be too tedious. Because he didn’t want to be idle and wanted to see the world, he signed up as a common sailor on a trading ship to California. Imagine an ivy league kid doing that today without a gun to his head. Anyway the part I find amusing is where the author was talking about the very monotonous meal menu while anchored for months off the California coast collecting cattle hides. The crew would go through an ox every week, and they ate all of it nose to tail. Fresh beef was their entire diet. According to Mr. Dana he had never been in better health, not even a trace of scurvy as some might think…… and that Mr. Graham (as in Graham crackers) could take his vegetarian diet and stuff it….to paraphrase the author. Its very amusing to catch a glimpse of how far back the carnivore vs. vegetarian diet controversy goes in American pop culture.
It doesn’t surprise me that vegans tend to be teenage girls as vegan arguments are almost exclusively emotional appeals. Take that statement for what you will.
I understand the statement … although my daughter Sara is already fiercely logical at age 9, so anyone who tries those emotional appeals on her will be in for a surprise.
“I’m picturing ex-vegans and ex-mobsters playing poker together in an undisclosed location somewhere in Nebraska. (They’d be eating pastrami sandwiches, naturally.)”
WHAT? And risk winding up on ExPaleoEaters.com ???
There is that risk.
To be fair, there are recipes for things like paleo mashed potatoes (courtesy of our friend cauliflower).
“The Vegan Sellout List is our answer to the epidemic of vegan sellouts”
Vegan Sellout=Person finally listening to the 911 calls its body is sending them.
1 Timothy chapter 4 mentions how forbidding someone to eat meat is a doctrine of demons. People hated vegans for a loooooong time.
I really don’t see any vegan-hatred in modern society, at least not until they get in other people’s faces.
Ummmm, that passage isn’t talking about vegans. It’s talking about people who add onto the law of God things that He never commanded, and then try to force others to obey these man-made regulations in order to be considered “holy.” One example given is forbidding someone a food (meat is NOT specified there), when God has given food to be “received with thanksgiving.” There’s nothing holy or unholy about food, and the whole point is that religious self-denial cannot earn you God’s favor. To teach so is is the “doctrine of demons” being talked about. It has nothing to do with vegans, or with vegetables, or with meat, or with not liking vegetable eaters.
A few notes:
1 – There seems to be a heightened level of immaturity that occurs when one becomes a vegan.
2 – The vegans don’t seem to mind going to a sporting event where the ball and gloves are made out of dead cattle.
3 – If I saw your suggestion for a commercial that jokes about the paleo version of a Red Robin Burger, it may just persuade me to get in my car and drive to Red Robin.
Ditto for me on #3.
Ask for your burger “protein style” and instead of a bun you get it with some sturdy iceberg lettuce. No wimpy wilty leaf lettuce. They will sub a salad for fries at no charge (if you’re into that sort of thing). They have a gluten free menu. And my local store is *not* posted as a criminal safe zone. It’s easier to get a my-way-of-eating compliant meal there than it is a lot of other places.
Hey, maybe we should all e-mail that last one to Red Robin and see what happens! It would be kind of cool to have a big chain like that, that us oddballs can go to with the guys from work or whatever and everybody can be happy. I don’t even mind if they serve veggie burgers at the table next to me!
A bit suspicious….a link at the bottom of their “Our Mission” page (ostensibly to be used by those who didn’t ‘rediscover’ their morals) goes to the comedic Uncyclopedia, to an entry on “How to: Suicide”, which includes the phrase :
“But seriously, if you do not know how to take a joke, call 1-800-….”
.
Of course, the joke is the “How to:Suicide” directions themselves and maybe a joke on any ex-vegan who’s angry at being referred to suicide – but I rather doubt that a site that exhibits 0 humor anywhere else suddenly found some at the end and obscurely. Then again, that’s just me. What do you think?
Seems unlikely. The rest of site doesn’t exactly read like The Onion. It would be a laugh to find out the whole thing is sarcastic.
I’d be pretty chuffed to be mentioned in company with the likes of Chris Kresser. Maybe oneday I’ll see the light and go through a “phase” – then I can be listed on ExCarnivores.com…
I guess my phase wasn’t long enough, according to the site’s rules.
Am I bad because I prefer humans that are grass fed?
Naw. And if you eat vegans, you can count them as vegetables.
Of course they’re vegetables, Tom. Haven’t you heard the line, “You are what you eat”?
I think it takes more or less the same mindset to become either radical vegan or radical peleo guy, lack of balance and common sense, urge to impose/spread their beliefs – this thought popped into my head when I saw the headline. Then, I read “vegan turned paleo guy”, bang! The whole paleo thing hasn’t been around as long as veganism, but I bet you in a couple of years time you are going to have paleo organizations, meets, agendas and whatnot. And that statistics will tell you that majority of paleo people are young men.
Yes, there are some paleo fanatics. But so far, I don’t see them trying to “out” the sinners.
I don’t know that “Paleo” is ever going to be as dogmatic and fundamentalistic as veganism given the goals. We’re already seeing such a diverse array of practices associated with “Paleo” or “Primal”, but in reality, the idea of finding what works for your individual health seems to be gaining traction. In fact, Tom’s buddy Richard wrote a pretty good piece on the diversity of the paleo movement here: http://freetheanimal.com/2013/01/corralling-the-paleo-movement-is-like-herding-cats.html
I also doubt (or hope, anyway) that paleo types don’t leave hateful notes for a roommate who puts a pint of milk or a loaf of bread in the fridge.
Just a quibble, but Bob Harper was a trainer for most of the seasons of Biggest Loser. (Not that I have ever watched it, of course. Not me.)
I’ve never seen it. Thanks for the heads-up.
The inflammatory language that accompanies the ‘sellout’ listings are what really cracks me up. They sound like children or young teenagers throwing out insults.
I’d completely ignore such radical vegans if they hadn’t already been involved in domestic terrorism at some point.
Probably a young, unbalanced woman.
Vegan?? No such thing as shown in this picture:
http://cheezburger.com/5217451008
that is brilliant, thanks!
Here’s another: http://discovermagazine.com/2001/aug/featcow/?searchterm=“cow parts”
This whole idea is as tasteless as most vegan foods. Why am I not surprised?
Hey,
I am the owner of veganbits.com, the website that is referenced noting the vegan demographics.
I thought this article was hysterical!
Favorites:
* the witness protection program to include people on the ex-vegan list. I’m picturing ex-vegans and ex-mobsters playing poker together in an undisclosed location somewhere in Nebraska.
* Q: How many vegans does it take to change a light bulb? A: That’s NOT FUNNY, you @#$%ing MURDERER!!!
* I can see why you take these things so seriously. I remember the shameful period in our nation’s history when vegetarians weren’t allowed to drink from public fountains and had to ride in the back of the bus.
* nobody ever walked into a barbecue joint to order a rack of ribs and said, “By the way, can you make those things taste just like tofu?”
Really funny stuff!
btw, I do not fit the demographics at all. I am (a) not female (b) (well) over 35 (c) became vegan (well) past my 24th birthday.
My wife told me about the Red Robin commercial. I thought it was hysterical.
And I do attend NFL games where the ball is made of leather….
Personally, I don’t care what people eat or don’t eat. I always find it funny how militant the young vegans are. They say, “ugh. don’t eat that hamburger in front of me!” It’s the same as former smokers who are suddenly repulsed by the smell of cigarettes. Do people poke fun at Jews who attend synagogue three days a year, but eat bacon and lobster the rest of time. Just do what works for you. Have fun. Life’s too short…
Thanks again for the link! 🙂
A good sense of humor tells me you’re happy and secure in your beliefs. Thanks for weighing in.
I wrote a post about the same thing yesterday! The site a bit of unintended vegan self-incrimination. Oopsie.
But you gotta laugh and forgive them, for they know not what they do. Literally! Brain simply isn’t working quite right due to extreme malnutriution.
Believe me, I laugh at them. They’re sort of like the dietary version of “Reefer Madness” — what’s intended to be serious is so ridiculous, it’s funny.
To be fair, there are recipes for things like paleo mashed potatoes (courtesy of our friend cauliflower).
1 Timothy chapter 4 mentions how forbidding someone to eat meat is a doctrine of demons. People hated vegans for a loooooong time.
I really don’t see any vegan-hatred in modern society, at least not until they get in other people’s faces.
Ummmm, that passage isn’t talking about vegans. It’s talking about people who add onto the law of God things that He never commanded, and then try to force others to obey these man-made regulations in order to be considered “holy.” One example given is forbidding someone a food (meat is NOT specified there), when God has given food to be “received with thanksgiving.” There’s nothing holy or unholy about food, and the whole point is that religious self-denial cannot earn you God’s favor. To teach so is is the “doctrine of demons” being talked about. It has nothing to do with vegans, or with vegetables, or with meat, or with not liking vegetable eaters.
My first reaction was “This has got to be a put on, they can’t be serious” It might very well be a put on.
Perhaps, but with vegan zealots, it’s difficult to tell the difference.
If vegans grew their own food they would realize that they are murdering the lettuce when they cut it off at the roots, pulling the carrots out of the ground, stealing the cherries from the trees, destroying those innocent weeds when they till the soil, amputating the branches of fruit trees to thin them and so forth.
Arrogant Worms “Carrot Juice is Murder”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM
Tom,
Are you sure you’re not being taken satire on a joke website? I saw that ex-vegans website a couple of days ago. My first thought was this: “parody.”
Perhaps, but I’m not seeing those little twists of humor I’d expect on a parody site.
Not seeing those little twists of humor?
You quoted one:
“Chris Kresser: Vegan turned paleo guy. Runs a website about paleo topics. Now eats pure murder.”
He eats pure murder? Hilarious.
Well, that’s the thing with vegans: they’re so ridiculous when they’re serious, it’s difficult to parody them.
Well, you could try accusing them of eating crimes other than murder:
Jenny Whistlingham, became a vegetarian at 16 and a vegan at 18. Now she eats pure grand theft auto.”
I think it takes more or less the same mindset to become either radical vegan or radical peleo guy, lack of balance and common sense, urge to impose/spread their beliefs – this thought popped into my head when I saw the headline. Then, I read “vegan turned paleo guy”, bang! The whole paleo thing hasn’t been around as long as veganism, but I bet you in a couple of years time you are going to have paleo organizations, meets, agendas and whatnot. And that statistics will tell you that majority of paleo people are young men.
Yes, there are some paleo fanatics. But so far, I don’t see them trying to “out” the sinners.
I don’t know that “Paleo” is ever going to be as dogmatic and fundamentalistic as veganism given the goals. We’re already seeing such a diverse array of practices associated with “Paleo” or “Primal”, but in reality, the idea of finding what works for your individual health seems to be gaining traction. In fact, Tom’s buddy Richard wrote a pretty good piece on the diversity of the paleo movement here: http://freetheanimal.com/2013/01/corralling-the-paleo-movement-is-like-herding-cats.html
I also doubt (or hope, anyway) that paleo types don’t leave hateful notes for a roommate who puts a pint of milk or a loaf of bread in the fridge.