Why People Hate Vegans

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I’ll start by commenting on the title of this post:  I don’t hate vegans.  The title comes from a headline over a letter posted on another web site.  We’ll come back to that.

I don’t even dislike most vegans.  I suspect most of them are nice people who choose that lifestyle for whatever reason and don’t concern themselves with what other people decide to eat.  Some years ago, Chareva and I went out for breakfast and ran into an actress I knew and her live-in boyfriend.  We decided to get a table for four.   I knew from previous conversations that the actress was a vegan … so imagine my surprise when her boyfriend ordered bacon and eggs.

“Uh … you eat meat?” I asked.

“Yeah, I eat meat.  Why?”

“Oh, I see what you’re asking,” the actress chimed in.  “I’m a vegan.  He’s not.”

Since these two had lived together for a long time and owned a house together, I’m pretty sure she didn’t follow him around accusing him of being a murderer or predicting his demise from all kinds of meat-induced health disasters.  She was a vegan, but clearly not a zealot.  It’s the zealots I can’t stand.

Vegan zealots are the dietary equivalent of religious zealots who show up at your door uninvited and try to convert you, warning you of hell to come if you don’t listen.  They can’t just happily keep to themselves, because they’re convinced the heathens must be saved.  I posted the follow-up section of Fat Head on YouTube last week, and sure enough (as I would have predicted), we’ve now got what the Older Brother refers to as a vegetrollian showing up to preach.

I believe low-carb and/or paleo diets can help people overcome all kinds of health problems.  That’s why I produced Fat Head. That’s why I write blog posts.  I’m happy to provide as much information as I can for anyone who comes here looking for answers – and lots of people have found answers here, judging by the comments and emails I receive.

But in spite of their successes (not to mention mine), I don’t believe everyone has to go on a low-carb diet, I don’t deny that people can become lean and healthy on other kinds of diets, and I sure as heck don’t go trolling vegetarian blogs and web sites trying to convert them and predicting their physical demise if they don’t listen to me.  I’m an advocate, not a zealot.

After some vegan zealots physically attacked Lierre Keith a few years ago, I wrote an essay on my other blog (which I’ve been ignoring lately) comparing them to what philosopher and author Eric Hoffer labeled The True Believer in his book by the same name.  Here’s part of what I wrote:

Hoffer labeled these people the True Believers.  The need to believe in something — completely, and without question — defines their lives, because fanaticism makes them feel special and important.

Not surprisingly, then, the biggest threat to their identities is doubt.  All contrary evidence must be stifled or rationalized out of existence.  All logical inconsistencies in their beliefs must be ignored.  Anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs is an enemy, and anyone who raises questions about their beliefs must be silenced. (But enough about Al Gore.)

Now, doesn’t that description sound just a wee bit like a militant vegan?  Ego boost?  Heck yes … I’m now a morally superior human being because I don’t eat animal products.  Sense of identity?  Gee, do you think?

I once asked a waitress in a restaurant if the pork chops were any good.  Turning up her nose just a bit, she replied, “I wouldn’t know.  I’m a vegan.”  I’m mildly hard of hearing, so at first I thought she said, “I wouldn’t know.  I’m a virgin.”  After some momentary confusion, mentally rifling through my old catechism lessons looking for a prohibition against virgins eating pork, I figured it out.  Either way, it was more than I cared to know about her.  “I’ve never tried them” would’ve sufficed.

And here are some quotes from Hoffer’s book:

A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people’s business.

In order to be effective a doctrine must not be understood, but has to be believed in. We can be absolutely certain only about things we do not understand.

The uncompromising attitude is more indicative of an inner uncertainty than a deep conviction.  The implacable stand is directed more against the doubt within than the assailant without.

In short, True Believers like to stick their noses in other people’s business and never let little annoyances like logic or observable facts shake their beliefs.  As Hoffer wrote, True Believers are impervious to facts.

The True Believer currently trolling the comments section on the video desperately needs to believe that eating animal protein makes people fat and sick.  He also desperately needs to believe that nobody ever got fat or sick on a vegetarian diet.  So he (could be a she, but I’m going with he) simply ignores the actual video, which clearly shows how much leaner I am now than I was in my 30s – when I was a vegetarian.  He also ignores the before-and-after pictures I put in the video.

One of those before-and-after shots is of a reader and occasional commenter named Rae.  Here’s part of what Rae wrote when she sent me those pictures.

I wanted you to know now I’ve lost nearly 80 lbs since Fat Head made me re-think everything I had ever learned about food and nutrition. I wish it had been around 10 years ago so I wouldn’t have wasted my 20s being an obese depressed vegetarian.

An obese vegetarian?  Eighty pounds lighter now after going low-carb?  No, no, no, that doesn’t happen.  Just ask the True Believer.

Other people have left comments like these on the video:

Fat Head the documentary and Gary Taubes changed my life. I went onto a ketogenic diet (Very strict in Carbohydrates, sub 20g a day) and lost over 40 pounds (210 to 170) in three months. The contradictory part is, I did the entire thing from June to September meaning I was not in school, had no work, and literally sat on my ass playing video games 12-13 hours a day.

I’ve lost 80 pounds after watching Fat Head (still trying to lose another 50) and I’m healthier than I’ve ever been. I can’t thank you enough Tom for making Fat Head.

Watched Fat Head on November 12th. Went low carb November 13th. Thank you — 60lbs lost / 70 to go.

Naturally, the vegan True Believer can see these testimonials right there in front of his face and still insist that low-carb diets make people fat and sick.  Tell a vegan True Believer that I was a fat vegetarian and have personally known vegans who had major health problems, and he’ll simply deny that I was ever really a vegetarian.  Same goes for anyone else who claimed to health problems on a vegan or vegetarian diet.  They weren’t really vegetarians or vegans, you see, because if they were, they’d be lean and healthy.  (I guess that explains why Linda McCartney and Davey Jones both lived to a ripe old age.)

I compare vegan zealots to religious zealots because I’m convinced the thought process is basically the same:  Everyone who eats a high-meat diet is committing a sin and must suffer – and all vegans must be lean and healthy as a reward for their virtuousness.  No one gets healthy on a meat-based diet, and no one gets fat or sick from a meat-free diet.  We know this because our vegan bible tells us so.  Scientific evidence to the contrary must be ignored.

Now, back to where I got the title for this post.  When I was logging articles and studies into my new database over the holidays, I came across a post titled See, this is why people hate vegans on a site called PassiveAgressiveNotes.com.  This particular note was written by a recently-converted vegan and left on her roommate’s beside table.  It’s a bit difficult to read on the site, so I’ve reproduced it below with my comments interspersed.

I have to say, I thought you were a lot smarter and considerate than you have proven yourself to be.  You are very well aware that I’ve been getting more and more serious about my veganism, and over the past few weeks I’ve insinuated several times that I feel uncomfortable having animal products in our house.

You became a vegan, so now your roommate has to stop bringing meat into the house?  Couldn’t you have just become an orthodox Jew and demanded she stop buying bacon?

The reason I’ve settled with merely implying these feelings is to avoid an argument, awkward conversation, or irritated note such as this one.

Notes don’t get irritated, tofu-brain.  People do … like when they receive preachy notes from their roommates.

But after seeing your latest haul from the supermarket, I have to be blunt with you.

Oh boy, here comes the sermon …

Yes, I know that we live in a world where we’re all supposed to be “tolerant.”  However, I believe we have to stick up for our beliefs and draw the line somewhere.

Is this where you announce that you’re moving out to stand up for your beliefs?

If you knew that a neighbor of yours was abusing their child, would you turn a blind eye and be “tolerant” of it?  Would you say that your neighbor simply has a different world view than your own?  I doubt it.  Same with me.

Please, feel free to call 911 and report the slaughter of pigs and cows at the nearest slaughterhouse.

I can no longer tolerate seeing meat, eggs, dairy, honey, or any other products from animals in our kitchen or anywhere else in our apartment. Do you understand?

When you try to impose your beliefs on your roommate, you come across like a member of some vegan Hezbollah, even if you underline your sentences to emphasize how important they are. Do you understand?

I’m truly disappointed by your lack of respect for my feelings and morals.  You could at the very least eat these things away from me, like when you’re out of the house.  You could have done it in your room.  That second suggestion isn’t an option anymore, though, since I told you I will not allow these foods anywhere in the house.

Way to demonstrate respect for your roommate’s feelings, tofu-brain.  Sure, I’ll allow you to eat meat – as long as you don’t do it in the house.

Why do you buy so much meat?

Uh … because it’s awesome?

You buy chicken, steaks, ground beef, and tasty “snacks” like Slim Jims, beef jerky, spam, and sardine cans.

Say, is your roommate single by any chance?  Oh, wait … I’m already married.

This is a waste.  I can guarantee that you will not eat even half of these things.

That’s because you won’t let her eat them in the house.

Please think about changing your diet.  I realize that you will probably continue being a meat eater outside of our apartment, but let that small grain of doubt lead you to a better path.  You can still have great-tasting food as a vegan.  You’ll probably want to start slow as a vegetarian and take it from there.

Nice of you to ease her into it gently when you’re demanding she switch to your belief system.

It was a long, passionate letter, but I think the appropriate reply would only require two words.  You can probably guess what they are.

And that’s why people hate vegans.


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224 thoughts on “Why People Hate Vegans

  1. b-nasty

    I think the reason most vegans leave a bad taste in others’ mouths (besides quinoa) can be summed up with the common joke:

    Q: How can you know within one minute if a person you met is a vegan?

    A: Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.

  2. Bob Geary

    It’s clear why a vegan, especially a somewhat new one, would object to having meat products in the house. People are capabable of believing extraordinary things, it’s true – but NO ONE can believe, in their heart of hearts, that bacon isn’t delicious when there’s bacon cooking nearby.

    (I have some sympathy with the vegans in their self-delusion attempts – I’ve been trying to believe for years that beer and pasta aren’t delicious…)

    I’ll never deny that beer is delicious. I usually have one or two on Saturday night.

  3. Walter B

    It’s not really the vegan fault. They are getting way too much of the wrong kind of fat.

    homicide and omega 6
    Increasing homicide rates and linoleic acid consumption among five Western countries, 1961-2000.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15736917

    It appears that not only does the mainstream media’s focus on increasing the consumption of birdseed oils is not only dangerous to the consumer’s health but also those around him or her.

    This I get from Paul Jaminet’s book (Perfect Health Diet) notes and book. The notes are online only.

    Notes from his site sent me to

    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/20…ratio.html

    with more references.

    In the immortal words of Joel Salatin “Folks this ain’t normal.”

    Do I need to say that if homicide goes up, it’s a lead pipe chinch that all types of inappropriate behavior will also increase?

    It’s always good to put behavior on a physiological basis, then we can deal with it.

  4. desmond

    I admit having to watch out for sounding “preachy” when I talk about how I am eating now. I do my best to keep it simply informational. My personal preference is to say very little, but given the healthywholegrain culture my generation has been raised in, I think my friends and family deserve to know that the USDA’s agenda is not the whole story. I am not an effective proselytizer anyway… after 15 years, I still have not convinced a single coworker to even try the Dvorak keyboard.

    I don’t preach to anyone who isn’t interested in hearing what I have to say. I’ll offer one suggestion if someone mentions a complaint in passing. “You have migraines? You know, that could be related to eating wheat.” If I feel resistance, I stop right there. I mentioned to a co-worker that his gout could be caused by consuming too much fructose. He was interested, asked questions, and has since gone sugar free/grain free.

  5. Julie

    Geeze.

    I used to be a vegetarian. As a matter of fact, I became a vegetarian when I was 14, and stayed that way until I saw Fat Head at the age of 27. And even as a vegetarian, I seriously despised vegan zealots. Who are they to decide what other people eat? What if meat eaters suddenly decided to start attacking vegans the way vegans attack meat eaters? (I’m sure they say that they’re already being attacked.)

    The best part about it, though, is that I know that being a vegetarian was very bad for my body now that I eat meat again. For the first time in years, my fingernails are thick and strong, my hair is getting thicker, my complexion has cleared up almost entirely, and my womanly cycle is actually normal now. I have only lost 10 pounds, but my body composition has changed dramatically. Without doing ANY weight lifting, my body has become firmer and more muscular!

    If I had ever known that being a vegetarian would make me so sickly, I never would have become one. But I was told by the media that it was the healthiest and most moral way to eat, and I believed it because I was 14 and full of passion and stupidity. Thanks for opening my eyes, Tom.

    I needed my eyes opened as well. I can’t believe I stuck to a diet for so long when it clearly wasn’t working.

  6. NM

    A colleague was once whining at me because I had some honey in my Greek yoghurt. I simply barked back “if you ever inflict your eating disorder on me again, I’m spiking your tofu salad with some bacon bits”.

    To be fair to him, he didn’t 😉

    Great reply.

  7. Phyllis Mueller

    Great quote: “We can be absolutely certain only about things we do not understand.”

    The day after I first watched “Fat Head” I remember telling my husband, “I think a low carb food plan makes sense. I am going to do it, but you don’t have to.”

    Immediately he said, “I want to do it, too.” That was nearly four years ago. I feel very fortunate that we both enjoy the same foods and that this WOE “works” for us.

    Outstanding. It certainly helps if both of you are on board.

  8. Devin

    I’m still convinced I got turned down for a job a few months ago because I’m not vegan. It was for a natural, “environmentally friendly” soap store and one of the interview questions they asked me was to name something they would always find in my refrigerator and I answered heavy cream and bacon. They got these horrified looks on their faces and ended the interview pretty quickly after that… I didn’t find out until later that everyone who works there is either vegetarian or vegan. I don’t see why you have to be vegan to appreciate natural products…

    They believe pork isn’t natural, but processed soyburgers are.

  9. JackNY

    The sad part is that one day this “new vegan” will quietly stop being a vegan when it’s too hard or they get too hungry or when a new fad diet takes over her life—might even go raw food paleo! And absolutely deny they were ever this intolerant, and laugh off this note “as a joke” and nothing to be taken seriously.

    S/he will never be held accountable for her bad behavior, or be made to feel guilty for it.

    As much as I’m a libertarian on a lot of issues, the loss directed social shaming/shunning by our society really hurts in situations like these.

    75% of vegetarians become ex-vegetarians according to a national survey, so there’s a good chance you’re right.

  10. Dan

    Fanboys (we’ll go with boys, right?) will be fanboys.

    Doesn’t matter if they have an insatiable love for the vegan life style, or iPads.

    Thanks for the link and insight on the “True Believer” syndrome. It’s definitely a personality trait that effortlessly assimilates certain types of people into a collective of bizarrely aggressive sheep. (sheeple?)

  11. Brenda

    15 year former vegetarian here. I thought I became vegetarian because I took a farm tour and stopped eating meat for ethical reasons. When I look back, it was my attempt to cling onto a separate identity in an ever abusive and controlling marriage. I did my best to convert the masses, and I’m embarrassed about it now. I ended up obese, and even though I lost the weight when I started eating meat again, I’m battling arthritis and a poor memory that I’m sure was a result of my diet. I was a very “good” vegetarian, I ate all the heathywholegrains, combined all the amino acids, and tried to keep my diet very low fat (and have been told to my face my problems stemmed from “not doing vegetarian right”). I feel sad sometimes when I see vegetarians attacking people who eat meat, because I understand some of their motives and I don’t like to be reminded about that time in my life. I think it’s more ethical for me to support small farmers that care about their livestock, then just going cold-turkey off factory farming. I think this is a way to bring about positive change in the long run to the agriculture industry.

    At least you wised up. Took me awhile too.

  12. FrankG

    When I read Walter B’s comment above “…increasing the consumption of birdseed oils is not only dangerous to the consumer’s health but also those around him or her.” I had visions of an high-healthy-fat future, where — much like we have today with smoking — not only will the taking of birdseed oils be discouraged (you’ll have to hang around outside in the cold to get your fix) but there will also be talk of the damage caused by “second-hand omega 6s” 🙂

  13. Weezy

    I’ve worked in a field where vegetarianism and veganism is fashionable (not to mention annoying). I learned to deal with their proselytizing by just smiling but I eventually just ate in my office or with a few close normal friends. Interesting to note that not many stuck it it out for long, and the ones that did were the heaviest and took the most sick leave.

    My biggest problem with the militant vegan zealots is that they want to use the power of government to tell me what I can eat and they want to control my diet according to their beliefs. The whole thing about taxing or controlling certain foods scares me to death, as I’m sure butter and bacon will end up being banned. I can see it now: a dark night on a street corner near you, “psst….want some bacon?” as he opens his coat to reveal packages of fatty bacon tucked into the lining. Sigh.

    We already have that scenario in some states when it comes to raw milk.

  14. Matt

    http://compassionco.tumblr.com/post/40854431126/the-12-actual-most-annoying-things-about-being-vegan

    I found this not too long ago and it cracked me up. I love how the author admits that it’s “not a diet, it’s a lifestyle.”

    #12 pretty much proves your point entirely.

    Love that quote: “It’s a philosophy. It’s a political stance. Yes, I’ve been vegan for over 5 years and I’m still chubby as fuck.”

    I also love the numerous references to “animal oppression.” I keep seeing a scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail: “Come see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I’m being repressed!”

  15. 1956okie

    I know a lot of vegetarians, and it’s interesting to observe how they hold up veganism as the ultimate way, the highest order of eating there is. They say how they aspire to be vegan one day, but it’s just too challenging. They could never be “that good.” Like vegan = closer to God? HUH? When did eating nothing but leaves and twigs become the pinnacle of health? (I can hear the cries of those poor, abused trees and shrubs now!) Look at most of the vegans I know, and they look like poster children for an eating disorder clinic. I guess, like you say, it’s something about getting SO into it that they beat others over the head with their own ideas. Bizarre.

    My point exactly. It’s more like a religion than a diet.

  16. JasonG

    Given enough time, we low-carb/paleo eaters will win this war. Our healthy diet will allow us outlive the vegan/low-fat group, and we will amass numbers for influence and political votes. I’ll bet my life on it.

    I wouldn’t bet on it. Bad diets tend to catch up with us after we’re past our breeding years.

  17. Eddie Jacobs

    I find it sad to hear about things like this. I have a really great friend from Australia who is vegan and makes a living as an environmentalist. Never gives me grief about eating meat. In fact we often post jokes to each other about it. In fact she loves the “Wheat is murder” shirt! We managed to find common ground with each other, I concede that we both hate the way most animals are treated, the mass production of meat is definitely a shady business and put it to a vote I’d vote for it. But I told her that I don’t think it’s a healthy choice to eliminate proteins and fat and access to local farms and markets just isn’t a choice for so many. While she doesn’t “agree” she “understands”. I guess it’s all in the personality.

    Those are the vegans I respect. They’re like my devout religious friends (I have several) who don’t hold it against me that I’m not religious and never try to convert me.

  18. 30 muffins a day

    Don’t forget there are low-carb zealots also that likes to preach and thinks that low-carb is the only way to lose weight and get healthy and carbs are almost like poison. To believe that carbs are evil is as bad as to believe meat is evil.

    I don’t know of any low-carbers who troll vegetarian blogs and preach to the readers. They may exist, but I don’t know of any.

  19. Devin

    I’m still convinced I got turned down for a job a few months ago because I’m not vegan. It was for a natural, “environmentally friendly” soap store and one of the interview questions they asked me was to name something they would always find in my refrigerator and I answered heavy cream and bacon. They got these horrified looks on their faces and ended the interview pretty quickly after that… I didn’t find out until later that everyone who works there is either vegetarian or vegan. I don’t see why you have to be vegan to appreciate natural products…

    They believe pork isn’t natural, but processed soyburgers are.

  20. Dan

    Fanboys (we’ll go with boys, right?) will be fanboys.

    Doesn’t matter if they have an insatiable love for the vegan life style, or iPads.

    Thanks for the link and insight on the “True Believer” syndrome. It’s definitely a personality trait that effortlessly assimilates certain types of people into a collective of bizarrely aggressive sheep. (sheeple?)

  21. Brenda

    15 year former vegetarian here. I thought I became vegetarian because I took a farm tour and stopped eating meat for ethical reasons. When I look back, it was my attempt to cling onto a separate identity in an ever abusive and controlling marriage. I did my best to convert the masses, and I’m embarrassed about it now. I ended up obese, and even though I lost the weight when I started eating meat again, I’m battling arthritis and a poor memory that I’m sure was a result of my diet. I was a very “good” vegetarian, I ate all the heathywholegrains, combined all the amino acids, and tried to keep my diet very low fat (and have been told to my face my problems stemmed from “not doing vegetarian right”). I feel sad sometimes when I see vegetarians attacking people who eat meat, because I understand some of their motives and I don’t like to be reminded about that time in my life. I think it’s more ethical for me to support small farmers that care about their livestock, then just going cold-turkey off factory farming. I think this is a way to bring about positive change in the long run to the agriculture industry.

    At least you wised up. Took me awhile too.

  22. Firebird

    I love the “You’re doing the diet wrong” rationale from vegans and vegetarians. Either you eat meat or your don’t. How hard is that?

    Apparently eating a “natural” vegan diet requires following a large number of detailed instructions that nobody in a natural setting would ever follow.

  23. jbug

    I always love it when someone makes a vegan recipe on TV or features vegan recipes in a magazine and they make the comment “I just wanted to show that you can have great tasting food without using meat.” Because you don’t have to do ANYTHING to meat to make it taste great besides cook it. OK, you can add bacon, but technically bacon just makes meat taste better.

    I also think that vegans eating TVP made to like meat is cheating. I know it doesn’t taste anything like real meat, but if the thought of meat is so disgusting to you, why are you still trying to eat it?

    As my comedian friend Tim Slagle points out, carnivores never try to make their meat look and taste like tofu.

  24. 1956okie

    I know a lot of vegetarians, and it’s interesting to observe how they hold up veganism as the ultimate way, the highest order of eating there is. They say how they aspire to be vegan one day, but it’s just too challenging. They could never be “that good.” Like vegan = closer to God? HUH? When did eating nothing but leaves and twigs become the pinnacle of health? (I can hear the cries of those poor, abused trees and shrubs now!) Look at most of the vegans I know, and they look like poster children for an eating disorder clinic. I guess, like you say, it’s something about getting SO into it that they beat others over the head with their own ideas. Bizarre.

    My point exactly. It’s more like a religion than a diet.

  25. JasonG

    Given enough time, we low-carb/paleo eaters will win this war. Our healthy diet will allow us outlive the vegan/low-fat group, and we will amass numbers for influence and political votes. I’ll bet my life on it.

    I wouldn’t bet on it. Bad diets tend to catch up with us after we’re past our breeding years.

  26. Scott

    Would that vegetrollian be that eaton3211, I noticed he has been trolling a lot of your youtube videos, he must live a sad existence if all he does is troll your video’ all day. It’s actually hard to troll vegans because they just block anyone who doesn’t see things their way.

    Yup, that’s the one.

  27. Eddie Jacobs

    I find it sad to hear about things like this. I have a really great friend from Australia who is vegan and makes a living as an environmentalist. Never gives me grief about eating meat. In fact we often post jokes to each other about it. In fact she loves the “Wheat is murder” shirt! We managed to find common ground with each other, I concede that we both hate the way most animals are treated, the mass production of meat is definitely a shady business and put it to a vote I’d vote for it. But I told her that I don’t think it’s a healthy choice to eliminate proteins and fat and access to local farms and markets just isn’t a choice for so many. While she doesn’t “agree” she “understands”. I guess it’s all in the personality.

    Those are the vegans I respect. They’re like my devout religious friends (I have several) who don’t hold it against me that I’m not religious and never try to convert me.

  28. Marilyn

    When I was young and still living at home, I was plowing wheat stubble on the 20 acres south of the house. I came onto a tiny rabbit that was too little to get up out of the furrow and out of my way. So I got off the tractor, moved him out of harm’s way and went on. The next round, there he was again, so I put him in the tool box and when I got to the house, I turned him loose in the yard. I never saw the rest of the litter. It’s highly probable that I plowed under the nest. Many years later, I bought a small farm place where I inherited a bunch of cats, including a mamma cat who was missing part of her back legs. She had been in the wrong place at the wrong time when some farm equipment had gone through. Anyone who believes that no animals are killed or harmed to bring them their tofurkey or veggie burgers is either woefully misinformed or deliberately ignoring the facts. If someone wants to be a vegan or a vegetarian because that’s the food they enjoy best, fine. But forget this ethical stuff. It just ain’t so.

    Lierre Keith made that point in The Vegetarian Myth. If vegans really believe every single creature is metaphysically equal, they should be horrified by the sheer number of critters killed on every acre of farmland used to grow their grains and soybeans.

  29. Firebird

    I love the “You’re doing the diet wrong” rationale from vegans and vegetarians. Either you eat meat or your don’t. How hard is that?

    Apparently eating a “natural” vegan diet requires following a large number of detailed instructions that nobody in a natural setting would ever follow.

  30. jbug

    I always love it when someone makes a vegan recipe on TV or features vegan recipes in a magazine and they make the comment “I just wanted to show that you can have great tasting food without using meat.” Because you don’t have to do ANYTHING to meat to make it taste great besides cook it. OK, you can add bacon, but technically bacon just makes meat taste better.

    I also think that vegans eating TVP made to like meat is cheating. I know it doesn’t taste anything like real meat, but if the thought of meat is so disgusting to you, why are you still trying to eat it?

    As my comedian friend Tim Slagle points out, carnivores never try to make their meat look and taste like tofu.

  31. Scott

    Would that vegetrollian be that eaton3211, I noticed he has been trolling a lot of your youtube videos, he must live a sad existence if all he does is troll your video’ all day. It’s actually hard to troll vegans because they just block anyone who doesn’t see things their way.

    Yup, that’s the one.

  32. Scott

    I would love to have known how she handled the letter from her roomate. I like how she tells her there will be no meat allowed in their apartment um is she the landlord, I would be like I pay half the rent with you i’ll bring whatever the “bleep” I want to eat into this house and if you would like to throw it away as a protest, I will throw all your veggies away in protest to all the innocent little critters killed while harvesting them.

    I would have given a two-word reply. If that didn’t work, I’d tell the roommate that if she can’t stand to look at meat, eggs, diary and honey (seriously?), she’s free to buy her own fridge and leave the house when I’m cooking and eating.

  33. Marilyn

    When I was young and still living at home, I was plowing wheat stubble on the 20 acres south of the house. I came onto a tiny rabbit that was too little to get up out of the furrow and out of my way. So I got off the tractor, moved him out of harm’s way and went on. The next round, there he was again, so I put him in the tool box and when I got to the house, I turned him loose in the yard. I never saw the rest of the litter. It’s highly probable that I plowed under the nest. Many years later, I bought a small farm place where I inherited a bunch of cats, including a mamma cat who was missing part of her back legs. She had been in the wrong place at the wrong time when some farm equipment had gone through. Anyone who believes that no animals are killed or harmed to bring them their tofurkey or veggie burgers is either woefully misinformed or deliberately ignoring the facts. If someone wants to be a vegan or a vegetarian because that’s the food they enjoy best, fine. But forget this ethical stuff. It just ain’t so.

    Lierre Keith made that point in The Vegetarian Myth. If vegans really believe every single creature is metaphysically equal, they should be horrified by the sheer number of critters killed on every acre of farmland used to grow their grains and soybeans.

  34. Taysha

    I’ve always found it tremendously ironic that people tend to play the “you should respect my choices and decisions” card while thoroughly abusing someone else’s choices and decisions.

    Bingo. A long-ago Chicago columnist named Sidney Harris once wrote an essay about people who consider themselves “sensitive” because they care so deeply about their own feelings, while having no clue about anyone else’s. As he wrote, they mistake being self-centered for being “sensitive.”

  35. Billy

    I don’t hate vegans, I doubt many people do, but when I do dislike are vegans who preach, and vegans who think (and opening state) that they are morally superior to anyone who would dare to eat an egg or drink a glass or milk!

    If a vegan (or anyone else for that matter) can state their point of view and discuss things objectively then I have plenty of respect for them… but if they assume they are superior and take the moral high ground due to their beliefs, dismissing all other opinions then I think they maybe deserve a little “hate”

  36. Lori

    My understanding of beekeeping is that beekeepers protect their bees from pesticides, predators and other disasters in exchange for honey. Oh, and they take the bees around to pollinate fruit and vegetable crops.

    I guess that’s how they’re “exploited.”

  37. Taysha

    I’ve always found it tremendously ironic that people tend to play the “you should respect my choices and decisions” card while thoroughly abusing someone else’s choices and decisions.

    Bingo. A long-ago Chicago columnist named Sidney Harris once wrote an essay about people who consider themselves “sensitive” because they care so deeply about their own feelings, while having no clue about anyone else’s. As he wrote, they mistake being self-centered for being “sensitive.”

  38. hausfrau

    I call them evangelical vegans. I think a lot of vegans purposely confuse grass-based, intensive grazing meat production with the industrial factory farm model. They are completely different systems that produce very different products. Another fun issue that routinely pops up is that they want the government to involve itself in directing people’s diet’s toward “healthier” choices as they see them but they completely ignore the incredible amount of corruption in the FDA/USDA that created the standard american diet we know today. One vegan I was sort of debating lamented how the USDA and FDA are run by big meat and dairy until I pointed out that feed lots would not be profitable without corn and soy subsidies. Any governmetn regulation on the topic will always be inherently corrupt as corporate interests with deep pockets will always control these regulatory agencies in ways that small independent farmers could only dream of. He dropped that topic and moved onto the usual “meat causes cancer” line. Apparently if I dont want to parse and discredit every random study that shows the bad health affects of animal products I have to become vegan. And don’t even try arguing that you have your own reasons for chosing a low carb diet and that you don’t feel the need to justify your choices to anyone because then…….you’re just like big tobacco…….

    That’s one of Eric Hoffer’s criteria for a True Believer: so sure of his plan, he’s willing to force you to adopt it — for your own good, of course.

    1. Tiffany

      The inability to recognize the villainous nature of State power is universal among liberals (whom Vegans are a sub-denomination of), it is because Man is their Christ and the State is their God. It is, in every sense, a secularized religion. I’d prefer people keep their bullshit in Heaven.

      1. dave

        I think that hausfrau is not mentioning the main reason ethical veganism exists – to protect voiceless, defenseless animals from needless death and suffering. The heart of the issue is that as long as non human animals are considered property they will be subject to the whims of the property owners. No?

        1. dave

          Incidentally, I live in “Cow Town”, aka Fort Worth Texas. And interestingly, no one openly hates me for being Vegan even though I make no attempt to hide it or to make excuses for those with whom I disagree. It’s easy and fun to be vegan even in what may be the least vegan friendly city in the US. Seems people are afraid to confront me about it.

        2. chastity roberts

          wow saw this nazi troll coming a mile away dave darling who cares. you dont impress anyone with your moral animal code. I am sick of the nazi left agenda. boo hoo. I live in Santa Barbara CA and I eat meat. I also have pets, rescue etc. shove your mantra up your vegan behind so very sorry for your Texan friends.

        3. Kyle

          Ok I raise farm animals and let me tell you I would trade places with one of them in a heartbeat. Production animals don’t “suffer” they are fed basically candy to them. I would assume so with the way they wolf it down. They never really feel pain (pain leads to injuries and injured meat is discolored and no one will buy it) and they never know that slaughter feels like because they are knocked unconscious before they are killed. True they only live for about a year but still. I would also like to point out that your comment about being considered property is true but that they are property and need to be. Animals have less than the mental equivalency of a small child. And a small child cannot choose for himself anything. He cannot consent to medical procedures he cannot vote etc. so they legally don’t have any rights by your logic. As a small child is essentially the “property” of his parents and or guardians.

  39. Billy

    I don’t hate vegans, I doubt many people do, but when I do dislike are vegans who preach, and vegans who think (and opening state) that they are morally superior to anyone who would dare to eat an egg or drink a glass or milk!

    If a vegan (or anyone else for that matter) can state their point of view and discuss things objectively then I have plenty of respect for them… but if they assume they are superior and take the moral high ground due to their beliefs, dismissing all other opinions then I think they maybe deserve a little “hate”

  40. Donna

    Marvellous to come across this post. I adopted a ” v…” Lifestyle last year. I feel we’ll on it. I made the catastrophic error of judgement however in thinking that I might meet like minded souls if I joined a local ” v..” Group. God Almighty is the least I can say as to how astonished I was to encounter such a high percentage of nit picky extremists and some quite nasty folk who don’t give much of a thought to their own species. I left the group and have abandoned the “v” word/label although not the lifestyle as it suits me. I’m not interested in converting others etc and all my family and friends bar one are meat eaters and I actually find them more tolerant and maybe more aware of animal welfare issues by and large.I never did go into restaurants and ask what v thing was on the menu ..it’s so easy everywhere just to pick out things that you like to eat ..rice form one dish, mushrooms from another etc.As for honey .. Bees are dying out and it’s a real concern ..we need more bees or there will no pollination and mankind will be done for pdq. ( I eat honey). I am just walking my walk and keeping my own counsel and carefully avoiding labelling myself .

    You’re one of the v’s we like.

    1. Butmunch

      The honey thing is very simple, the more people eat honey the greater the demand will be and thus it will drive the price up. The higher the price the greater the incentive to keep the bee alive. If we stopped eating honey it wouldn’t do shit for the bees. There’d be even less of them.

      Bees aren’t dying out because of human consumption…well at least not because we eat honey, the best answer I came up with is that there is a newer herbicide that came into use a few years back that is causing these problems but nothing has really been done about it.

    2. viktor

      Because your’e a fucking egotistical apathetic pussy who only care for his own fat ass.

    3. Anon

      I share your sentiments. I was shocked when several years into being vegan I started joining vegan social groups only to find a cult like extremist mentality and self righteousness. I lasted six years as a strict vegan before many health struggles took their toll. I am pescetarian now for the last year. Health has improved but still paying the price for years of restricting food groups. At least part of why I left was the intolerance and hate exhibited by many vegans. If you didn’t agree 100 percent you weren’t vegan enough. Got sick of the whole game. Like it’s ok to keep pets and that’s not exploitation of animals. Oh yeah, they are “rescues”. Get real.

      1. Tom Naughton

        Veganism does seem to attract the extremist personality, but to be fair, I’ve run into some of those people in the paleo sphere as well.

  41. Lori

    My understanding of beekeeping is that beekeepers protect their bees from pesticides, predators and other disasters in exchange for honey. Oh, and they take the bees around to pollinate fruit and vegetable crops.

    I guess that’s how they’re “exploited.”

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