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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post:  Matt Stone of 180DegreeHealth</title>
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		<title>By: Joel Sears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Sears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jsears says:

You can get Matt&#039;s advice on fixing the metabolism for free by reading most of his many blogs.

I wonder if the Blood type diet theory is important to which diet you should eat.  Type O blood is the caveman blood type.  Cavemen probably ate a low carb diet from late winter to mid summer.  Using Matt Stone&#039;s theory the low carb diet would cause high levels adrenalin for long periods of time.  The caveman is adapted to high levels of adrenaline.

People with Type A  are people who have adapted to a high starch agricultural diet.  Type A people digest starch better and digest protein less well than type O people.  

I would expect type O people to do well on a low carb diet over the long term.  I suspect Matt Stone&#039;s people are Type A.  Matt Stone talks about the low carb honeymoon, when the low carb diet causes an improvement in health.  The honeymoon sometimes last as little as a few months.  The honeymoon is caused by the increased adrenaline from the low carb diet.  The honey moon ends as the body decreases its adrenaline receptors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jsears says:</p>
<p>You can get Matt&#8217;s advice on fixing the metabolism for free by reading most of his many blogs.</p>
<p>I wonder if the Blood type diet theory is important to which diet you should eat.  Type O blood is the caveman blood type.  Cavemen probably ate a low carb diet from late winter to mid summer.  Using Matt Stone&#8217;s theory the low carb diet would cause high levels adrenalin for long periods of time.  The caveman is adapted to high levels of adrenaline.</p>
<p>People with Type A  are people who have adapted to a high starch agricultural diet.  Type A people digest starch better and digest protein less well than type O people.  </p>
<p>I would expect type O people to do well on a low carb diet over the long term.  I suspect Matt Stone&#8217;s people are Type A.  Matt Stone talks about the low carb honeymoon, when the low carb diet causes an improvement in health.  The honeymoon sometimes last as little as a few months.  The honeymoon is caused by the increased adrenaline from the low carb diet.  The honey moon ends as the body decreases its adrenaline receptors.</p>
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		<title>By: Kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always interested in hearing all the sides of an argument before making up my own mind. Yet so much over in Matt&#039;s site rang untrue for me and then to top it all off you have to Pay to hear how he can fix your broken metabolism.

Anyone who plays knowledge like a Nigerian fraudster loses all credibility with me. &quot;I have a fantastic eating opportunity for you!&quot;

&lt;em&gt;Hearing all sides was the reason I asked him to write a post.  I don&#039;t endorse his theories and still disagree with much of what he believes because of my own experiences, but I also don&#039;t want to assume I have all the answers.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always interested in hearing all the sides of an argument before making up my own mind. Yet so much over in Matt&#8217;s site rang untrue for me and then to top it all off you have to Pay to hear how he can fix your broken metabolism.</p>
<p>Anyone who plays knowledge like a Nigerian fraudster loses all credibility with me. &#8220;I have a fantastic eating opportunity for you!&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Hearing all sides was the reason I asked him to write a post.  I don&#8217;t endorse his theories and still disagree with much of what he believes because of my own experiences, but I also don&#8217;t want to assume I have all the answers.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Sunshine Mugrabi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunshine Mugrabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this might&#039;ve been said above, but anyhow to me the point that Matt is making is a very good one. It&#039;s not carbs or even sugar that we should be blaming, it&#039;s our diet of refined and/or processed foods. Also, the key to me is saturated fat. However much saturated fat you have in your diet, try doubling it. Triple it. You put enough of that in your food and you&#039;re not going to binge on sugary stuff or starch or anything else. It slows you down, it fills you up, and it makes you feel magnificent. The most significant moment for me in the Fat Head movie was I think actually in the extras, when Sally Fallon was talking about how indigenous people actually used to add fat to meat that was too lean, because their survival depended on it. They knew how much fat they needed, and it was A LOT. I really don&#039;t think there&#039;s any limit to the amount of saturated fat you can add to your diet. You add more, and basically you will just eat less of whatever that food is. So rather than worrying about carbs, sugar, etc. just focus on the fat and you&#039;ll solve all of your problems quite easily. My biggest problem, in fact, has been how to get hold of the fat. We&#039;ve started asking our butcher to give us all the fat he would normally be trimming off the meat. We get bags of the stuff--beef tallow, lamb fat, bones, etc. This is very wasteful as well--you&#039;re not living light on the land if you&#039;re throwing away parts of the animal. But even so, it&#039;s hard to find truly fatty foods in the modern supermarket--even the so-called &quot;natural&quot; foods stores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this might&#8217;ve been said above, but anyhow to me the point that Matt is making is a very good one. It&#8217;s not carbs or even sugar that we should be blaming, it&#8217;s our diet of refined and/or processed foods. Also, the key to me is saturated fat. However much saturated fat you have in your diet, try doubling it. Triple it. You put enough of that in your food and you&#8217;re not going to binge on sugary stuff or starch or anything else. It slows you down, it fills you up, and it makes you feel magnificent. The most significant moment for me in the Fat Head movie was I think actually in the extras, when Sally Fallon was talking about how indigenous people actually used to add fat to meat that was too lean, because their survival depended on it. They knew how much fat they needed, and it was A LOT. I really don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any limit to the amount of saturated fat you can add to your diet. You add more, and basically you will just eat less of whatever that food is. So rather than worrying about carbs, sugar, etc. just focus on the fat and you&#8217;ll solve all of your problems quite easily. My biggest problem, in fact, has been how to get hold of the fat. We&#8217;ve started asking our butcher to give us all the fat he would normally be trimming off the meat. We get bags of the stuff&#8211;beef tallow, lamb fat, bones, etc. This is very wasteful as well&#8211;you&#8217;re not living light on the land if you&#8217;re throwing away parts of the animal. But even so, it&#8217;s hard to find truly fatty foods in the modern supermarket&#8211;even the so-called &#8220;natural&#8221; foods stores.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the &quot;Low Carb War Stories&quot; on Matt&#039;s blog, and none of those prove his theory about the necessity of adding carbohydrates.  These are people following all kinds of diet variations and calling them all &quot;low-carb.&quot;   Some even admit to becoming sloppy with their adherence, and then blame &quot;low carb&quot; on their symptoms.  One person was eating gobs of peanut butter.  That&#039;s high in carbs, high in peanut oil, and high in aflatoxin, a fungus found in all but a few organic peanut butters.  

Another person talks keeps mentioning &quot;oils.&quot;  Wonder what those could be?  In other stories, the person specifies what he cut out, but not specifically what he ate.  Just saying &quot;meat&quot; doesn&#039;t tell you much.  Most consumed dairy--some do fine with it, but that&#039;s not always a recipe for success.  

And when specifics as to the diet were given, it was clear that something was always lacking--SATURATED FAT.  One guy who got sick over time was subsisting on beef jerky.  Well, duh!  Not much fat there.  Most of these people were slowly succumbing to rabbit starvation.  And in most of the stories, when saturated fat was added, health actually improved.  Matt seems to have overlooked this and through his bias, has decided that added carbs were the reason for success.  Matt, himself, never details what he ate.  That makes me 
suspicious.  

He also doesn&#039;t go into detail about the diet of the mountain Pima.  Obviously they don&#039;t eat refined carbs.  But he tags on &quot;game meats&quot; at the end of the list of carbohydrates almost as an afterthought.  I&#039;d lay bets they get plenty of saturated fat in their diets, which more than likely explains their good health.

It is well-known that fructose does not spike insulin, but rather is broken down into fatty acids in the liver.  But fructose is never injested by itself.  It is always accompanied by glucose, whether in fruit, HFCS, or sucrose.  People consume fructose/glucose in much larger amounts than the glucose that results from the breakdown of natural starches.  So it&#039;s easy to blame fructose by association, but it&#039;s really huge amounts of accompanying glucose, which yes, cause insulin resistance, and deterioration of health.  And the fatty acids from the breakdown of fructose will be stored as fat, even if all the 
accompanying glucose is burned for fuel, so weight gain will be faster and more pronounced than if simply eating natural starches.

Also Matt praises pizza as one of his favorite carbs.  That crust is made from refined white flour--not much natural starch going on there.  And the rest is cheese and tomato sauce.  Be interesting to see the effect of all those nightshades he consumes (tomatoes, potatoes) on his health over time.

Matt also claims to be able to heal your metabolism, but it&#039;s a secret and you must pay him to find out how.  While I have no problem with his making profit, in my mind this would not characterize him as a researcher, but rather an opportunist.

&lt;em&gt;
I&#039;m not convinced starches are necessary, even if (perhaps) they&#039;re not the cause of insulin resistance.  There may be other negative effects besides insulin resistance.  Cancer, for example, apparently feeds on glucose -- not fructose, but glucose.  

Nonetheless, I thought Matt&#039;s ideas should be tossed into the mix.  I don&#039;t want to limit the discussion to people who agree with me, so I asked him to write a guest post specifically to point out where we disagree.  &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the &#8220;Low Carb War Stories&#8221; on Matt&#8217;s blog, and none of those prove his theory about the necessity of adding carbohydrates.  These are people following all kinds of diet variations and calling them all &#8220;low-carb.&#8221;   Some even admit to becoming sloppy with their adherence, and then blame &#8220;low carb&#8221; on their symptoms.  One person was eating gobs of peanut butter.  That&#8217;s high in carbs, high in peanut oil, and high in aflatoxin, a fungus found in all but a few organic peanut butters.  </p>
<p>Another person talks keeps mentioning &#8220;oils.&#8221;  Wonder what those could be?  In other stories, the person specifies what he cut out, but not specifically what he ate.  Just saying &#8220;meat&#8221; doesn&#8217;t tell you much.  Most consumed dairy&#8211;some do fine with it, but that&#8217;s not always a recipe for success.  </p>
<p>And when specifics as to the diet were given, it was clear that something was always lacking&#8211;SATURATED FAT.  One guy who got sick over time was subsisting on beef jerky.  Well, duh!  Not much fat there.  Most of these people were slowly succumbing to rabbit starvation.  And in most of the stories, when saturated fat was added, health actually improved.  Matt seems to have overlooked this and through his bias, has decided that added carbs were the reason for success.  Matt, himself, never details what he ate.  That makes me<br />
suspicious.  </p>
<p>He also doesn&#8217;t go into detail about the diet of the mountain Pima.  Obviously they don&#8217;t eat refined carbs.  But he tags on &#8220;game meats&#8221; at the end of the list of carbohydrates almost as an afterthought.  I&#8217;d lay bets they get plenty of saturated fat in their diets, which more than likely explains their good health.</p>
<p>It is well-known that fructose does not spike insulin, but rather is broken down into fatty acids in the liver.  But fructose is never injested by itself.  It is always accompanied by glucose, whether in fruit, HFCS, or sucrose.  People consume fructose/glucose in much larger amounts than the glucose that results from the breakdown of natural starches.  So it&#8217;s easy to blame fructose by association, but it&#8217;s really huge amounts of accompanying glucose, which yes, cause insulin resistance, and deterioration of health.  And the fatty acids from the breakdown of fructose will be stored as fat, even if all the<br />
accompanying glucose is burned for fuel, so weight gain will be faster and more pronounced than if simply eating natural starches.</p>
<p>Also Matt praises pizza as one of his favorite carbs.  That crust is made from refined white flour&#8211;not much natural starch going on there.  And the rest is cheese and tomato sauce.  Be interesting to see the effect of all those nightshades he consumes (tomatoes, potatoes) on his health over time.</p>
<p>Matt also claims to be able to heal your metabolism, but it&#8217;s a secret and you must pay him to find out how.  While I have no problem with his making profit, in my mind this would not characterize him as a researcher, but rather an opportunist.</p>
<p><em><br />
I&#8217;m not convinced starches are necessary, even if (perhaps) they&#8217;re not the cause of insulin resistance.  There may be other negative effects besides insulin resistance.  Cancer, for example, apparently feeds on glucose &#8212; not fructose, but glucose.  </p>
<p>Nonetheless, I thought Matt&#8217;s ideas should be tossed into the mix.  I don&#8217;t want to limit the discussion to people who agree with me, so I asked him to write a guest post specifically to point out where we disagree.  </em></p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read about fructose being especially &#039;bad&#039; before (for instance in Barry Groves&#039; Trick and Treat). 

Found this article today which you may find interesting:

&quot;Is Fructose the Sugar of Satan?&quot;

http://www.heretical-health.info/fructosesugarscarbohydratesmetabolicsyndrome.html

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;ll give it a read.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read about fructose being especially &#8216;bad&#8217; before (for instance in Barry Groves&#8217; Trick and Treat). </p>
<p>Found this article today which you may find interesting:</p>
<p>&#8220;Is Fructose the Sugar of Satan?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heretical-health.info/fructosesugarscarbohydratesmetabolicsyndrome.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.heretical-health.info/fructosesugarscarbohydratesmetabolicsyndrome.html</a></p>
<p><em>I&#8217;ll give it a read.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and the most obvious symptoms of all for me - the digestive disturbances (bloating, shooting pains, gas and soft stool) that all grains give me. What originally started me on this journey - I knew what was going on every time I ate couldn&#039;t be healthy.

The only carbs that I can eat in larger volume that don&#039;t give me pain and bloating right away, are green veg.

&lt;em&gt;Yup, I think grains are bad news for many of us, whether or not starches cause insulin resistance.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and the most obvious symptoms of all for me &#8211; the digestive disturbances (bloating, shooting pains, gas and soft stool) that all grains give me. What originally started me on this journey &#8211; I knew what was going on every time I ate couldn&#8217;t be healthy.</p>
<p>The only carbs that I can eat in larger volume that don&#8217;t give me pain and bloating right away, are green veg.</p>
<p><em>Yup, I think grains are bad news for many of us, whether or not starches cause insulin resistance.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only been eating low-carb (and very high fat) for 4 months. So far eating this way has pretty much eradicated every health &#039;issue&#039; I have ever had (some since I was 3 or 4 years old). From acne, to eczema, to gum soreness, to oversleeping (I only need 6-7 hours now!), to both tension headaches and migraines, to menstrual irregularities, to hypothyroid-like issues (despite normal panel results) like low body temp and always feeling freezing with icy hands and feet. And the past year I was eating pretty well and wasn&#039;t deficient in any nutrients - but I still ate some sugar, and plenty of grains.

I am naturally underweight. I have actually weighed less in the past on a high-carb vegetarian diet, than I have over the last three years as I have incorporated much more nutrient-dense foods and animal products. We&#039;re talking a 5-7 lb difference here but that&#039;s big for me because my weight has been the same for a decade. I think it&#039;s because I had less muscle when I ate crap.

I still eat potatoes, sweet potatoes, and cruciferous vegetables in limited amounts but if I overdo it (more than 100 grams carbs during the day, or more than a few grams after 7pm at night) I know right away - from my sore gums, migraine, and 10-hour marathon sleep sessions where I awaken with my face and hands visibly swollen from carb bloat...

Carbs in general seem to have such an extreme effect on me, even though I am insulin sensitive and from a long line of thin people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only been eating low-carb (and very high fat) for 4 months. So far eating this way has pretty much eradicated every health &#8216;issue&#8217; I have ever had (some since I was 3 or 4 years old). From acne, to eczema, to gum soreness, to oversleeping (I only need 6-7 hours now!), to both tension headaches and migraines, to menstrual irregularities, to hypothyroid-like issues (despite normal panel results) like low body temp and always feeling freezing with icy hands and feet. And the past year I was eating pretty well and wasn&#8217;t deficient in any nutrients &#8211; but I still ate some sugar, and plenty of grains.</p>
<p>I am naturally underweight. I have actually weighed less in the past on a high-carb vegetarian diet, than I have over the last three years as I have incorporated much more nutrient-dense foods and animal products. We&#8217;re talking a 5-7 lb difference here but that&#8217;s big for me because my weight has been the same for a decade. I think it&#8217;s because I had less muscle when I ate crap.</p>
<p>I still eat potatoes, sweet potatoes, and cruciferous vegetables in limited amounts but if I overdo it (more than 100 grams carbs during the day, or more than a few grams after 7pm at night) I know right away &#8211; from my sore gums, migraine, and 10-hour marathon sleep sessions where I awaken with my face and hands visibly swollen from carb bloat&#8230;</p>
<p>Carbs in general seem to have such an extreme effect on me, even though I am insulin sensitive and from a long line of thin people.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice discussion going on here, it was a pleasure reading it. I&#039;m having trouble explaining to myself that something that is natural (thus, including whole grains) and eatable could be bad for your health (assuming one has good overall health). I mean, if you eat a poison mushroom, you&#039;ll know it.

&lt;em&gt;It&#039;s not actually natural for humans to eat wheat.  Nobody living in a natural environment would grab a wheat stalk and eat it.  It has to be pounded and processed because humans don&#039;t have two-chambered stomachs (like birds) to break down the grains.  Consequently, many people have never adapted to grains biologically and don&#039;t do well eating them; they&#039;ll get leaky gut syndrome, auto-immune reactions, etc.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice discussion going on here, it was a pleasure reading it. I&#8217;m having trouble explaining to myself that something that is natural (thus, including whole grains) and eatable could be bad for your health (assuming one has good overall health). I mean, if you eat a poison mushroom, you&#8217;ll know it.</p>
<p><em>It&#8217;s not actually natural for humans to eat wheat.  Nobody living in a natural environment would grab a wheat stalk and eat it.  It has to be pounded and processed because humans don&#8217;t have two-chambered stomachs (like birds) to break down the grains.  Consequently, many people have never adapted to grains biologically and don&#8217;t do well eating them; they&#8217;ll get leaky gut syndrome, auto-immune reactions, etc.</em></p>
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		<title>By: sharbelanthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharbelanthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a great video for you all to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

&lt;em&gt;I included it in a post awhile back.  Good stuff.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a great video for you all to watch. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM</a></p>
<p><em>I included it in a post awhile back.  Good stuff.</em></p>
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		<title>By: pjnoir</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjnoir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still a total lack of how carbs and starches effect diabetics. And although this is not a pure diabetes blog. Matt has used the same argument trolling those blogs. Low carbs is NOT zero carbs. Even on an IF day some carbs are taken in- with me its fermented diary or veggies until the first main meal. Carbs in a SAD is a far greater mismanaged diet that any LCHF/paleo diet will ever be. Eating less carbs every day is the best way control diet health concerns. Give me a Taubes, Bernstein or Cordain over stone blog for what really counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still a total lack of how carbs and starches effect diabetics. And although this is not a pure diabetes blog. Matt has used the same argument trolling those blogs. Low carbs is NOT zero carbs. Even on an IF day some carbs are taken in- with me its fermented diary or veggies until the first main meal. Carbs in a SAD is a far greater mismanaged diet that any LCHF/paleo diet will ever be. Eating less carbs every day is the best way control diet health concerns. Give me a Taubes, Bernstein or Cordain over stone blog for what really counts.</p>
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