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	<title>Comments on: Mayor Bloomberg&#8217;s A-Salt On Science</title>
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		<title>By: Jack Reylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Reylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloomberg needs to pay more attention to hygiene. Workers step on and handle food surfaces whil supposedly protecting us by cleaning. Kids spread filth by clothes swabbing floors. Pigeons fly around delis crapping. One guy threw away food when the container fell to the floor then put the empty container in the pantry without cleaning it. Today&#039;s workers thingk hygiene is silly. They used to teach you about these things in grammar school but today it seem spatronizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloomberg needs to pay more attention to hygiene. Workers step on and handle food surfaces whil supposedly protecting us by cleaning. Kids spread filth by clothes swabbing floors. Pigeons fly around delis crapping. One guy threw away food when the container fell to the floor then put the empty container in the pantry without cleaning it. Today&#8217;s workers thingk hygiene is silly. They used to teach you about these things in grammar school but today it seem spatronizing.</p>
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		<title>By: Caveman Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caveman Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government-mandated health restrictions are for the little people.

&lt;em&gt;Indeed, but they think we&#039;re all little people.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government-mandated health restrictions are for the little people.</p>
<p><em>Indeed, but they think we&#8217;re all little people.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops maybe not 20% trace minerals... mistype.  It is high though.  In Sally Fallon&#039;s &quot;Nourishing Traditions&quot; there was a side bar where she talked about salt... the &quot;impurities&quot; in nature sea/rock salt like potassium and magnesium can be sold for a lot more to scientific laboratories than if they&#039;re left in for us.

&lt;em&gt;I think that&#039;s what happens with a lot of nut oils, too.  They squeeze it out, sell it separately, then add cheap oils to the nut spreads.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops maybe not 20% trace minerals&#8230; mistype.  It is high though.  In Sally Fallon&#8217;s &#8220;Nourishing Traditions&#8221; there was a side bar where she talked about salt&#8230; the &#8220;impurities&#8221; in nature sea/rock salt like potassium and magnesium can be sold for a lot more to scientific laboratories than if they&#8217;re left in for us.</p>
<p><em>I think that&#8217;s what happens with a lot of nut oils, too.  They squeeze it out, sell it separately, then add cheap oils to the nut spreads.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depresses me to hear people talk about how terrible salt is... I&#039;ve always used and enjoyed it.  About a month ago I switched from salted to unsalted butter though, and now put generous amounts of Celtic sea salt on everything (Celtic sea salt is about 20 percent trace minerals... as nature intended)... no &quot;purified&quot; table salt ever if I can avoid it.  Before I&#039;d had some problems with edema but it seems like they&#039;ve gone away.  This salt has a much nicer taste too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depresses me to hear people talk about how terrible salt is&#8230; I&#8217;ve always used and enjoyed it.  About a month ago I switched from salted to unsalted butter though, and now put generous amounts of Celtic sea salt on everything (Celtic sea salt is about 20 percent trace minerals&#8230; as nature intended)&#8230; no &#8220;purified&#8221; table salt ever if I can avoid it.  Before I&#8217;d had some problems with edema but it seems like they&#8217;ve gone away.  This salt has a much nicer taste too <img src='http://www.fathead-movie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Tom!  Now I can stop worrying when I feel it&#039;s necessary to stop @ McDonald&#039;s to grab a quick (cheap) bite.  I will get a few McDoubles sans buns. 
Have a good week.

Steve

&lt;em&gt;You too.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tom!  Now I can stop worrying when I feel it&#8217;s necessary to stop @ McDonald&#8217;s to grab a quick (cheap) bite.  I will get a few McDoubles sans buns.<br />
Have a good week.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
<p><em>You too.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post again Tom!  As always, very interesting. Couple of points for ya though.

I too, love that mushroom and swiss angus third pounder from mcD&#039;s, but upon looking at the nutrition information (thank you Fat Head movie!), it is said to have like 2 grams of trans fats.  As do most of the best tasting things on their menus.  Do you think that this is due to the bread, or the cheese?  Or... could it actually be some of the very few naturally occurring trans fats from animal protein (some foods have small amounts of them, like some cheeses and even beef)?  Obviously you ate all sorts of fast food items at McD&#039;s for the film, and you LOST fat and all of your levels were great afterwards, so I would assume that it&#039;s not too bad.  Just wondering what you think of this?  

Thanks a bunch!

Steve

&lt;em&gt;A small percent of the fat in cattle -- dairy fat included -- is a naturally-occuring trans fat.  Even the CSPI fear-mongers noted that the small bit of trans fats in McDonald&#039;s burgers is the natural kind.

They were still frying chicken in trans fats when I did the fast-food diet, so I also consumed the nasty man-made stuff.  I&#039;m sure that explains the one negative effect:  my HDL went down during that month.  Soon as I went back to natural saturated fat, it shot back up.
&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post again Tom!  As always, very interesting. Couple of points for ya though.</p>
<p>I too, love that mushroom and swiss angus third pounder from mcD&#8217;s, but upon looking at the nutrition information (thank you Fat Head movie!), it is said to have like 2 grams of trans fats.  As do most of the best tasting things on their menus.  Do you think that this is due to the bread, or the cheese?  Or&#8230; could it actually be some of the very few naturally occurring trans fats from animal protein (some foods have small amounts of them, like some cheeses and even beef)?  Obviously you ate all sorts of fast food items at McD&#8217;s for the film, and you LOST fat and all of your levels were great afterwards, so I would assume that it&#8217;s not too bad.  Just wondering what you think of this?  </p>
<p>Thanks a bunch!</p>
<p>Steve</p>
<p><em>A small percent of the fat in cattle &#8212; dairy fat included &#8212; is a naturally-occuring trans fat.  Even the CSPI fear-mongers noted that the small bit of trans fats in McDonald&#8217;s burgers is the natural kind.</p>
<p>They were still frying chicken in trans fats when I did the fast-food diet, so I also consumed the nasty man-made stuff.  I&#8217;m sure that explains the one negative effect:  my HDL went down during that month.  Soon as I went back to natural saturated fat, it shot back up.<br />
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I should add that with that public smoking ban we have here in Ohio, you can still smoke *outside* as long as you&#039;re not right next to a door where people are going in and coming out.  So it&#039;s not like a choice of either stay home or don&#039;t smoke at all.

Although I think they&#039;ve also banned it from bus shelters... about time too, I remember several years ago having to step outside a bus shelter with my daughter in her sling one day when it was raining because some idiot lit up without even asking.  But dear God in heaven we had to fight over the ban three times at two different levels of government because we were &quot;violating&quot; smokers&#039; &quot;rights.&quot;  Whatevs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I should add that with that public smoking ban we have here in Ohio, you can still smoke *outside* as long as you&#8217;re not right next to a door where people are going in and coming out.  So it&#8217;s not like a choice of either stay home or don&#8217;t smoke at all.</p>
<p>Although I think they&#8217;ve also banned it from bus shelters&#8230; about time too, I remember several years ago having to step outside a bus shelter with my daughter in her sling one day when it was raining because some idiot lit up without even asking.  But dear God in heaven we had to fight over the ban three times at two different levels of government because we were &#8220;violating&#8221; smokers&#8217; &#8220;rights.&#8221;  Whatevs.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandfather died of a stroke in 2007.  He had high blood pressure.  He was diabetic.  My father is, I believe, hypertensive as well and on meds for it.  He is also diabetic.  My ex-husband&#039;s grandmother had congestive heart failure when I knew her (she&#039;s passed on now), including hypertension.  She was diabetic.  Somehow I don&#039;t think the conditions are unrelated.

I don&#039;t have a *chronic* problem with blood pressure per se, but I know how I feel when it&#039;s elevated, thanks to a tooth problem I had several years ago that had me in such agony the pains were shooting around to the back of my head.  Went to the ER because it was the middle of the night and my BP was 140 over something or other.  Since then, when I have been eating like crap and become really, really stressed out about something, I feel different like I did back then, and if it&#039;s *really* bad, I get the shooting pains again.  Haven&#039;t had those in a while now since certain stressors left my life, but I&#039;ve had the weird feeling.  And it is always when I&#039;ve been eating more carbs than I ought to.

Just a data point, I figure lots of people have similar stories to share.

Re: smoking bans, since it was brought up:  I want a public smoking ban, not because I care whether someone smokes or quits but because if I wanted to be a smoker, I would have taken up the habit myself.  Even if there is zero risk to me as a nonsmoker inhaling someone else&#039;s smoke, doesn&#039;t matter, it&#039;s a frigging drug and I don&#039;t want it, or else I would be smoking.  Plus, these people smoke around my child, and she&#039;s not eighteen, so she&#039;s too young to smoke.  If no one cares that kids being exposed to cigarette smoke isn&#039;t a great idea, there&#039;s always that argument.  It&#039;s the law, don&#039;tcha know.

If you smoke at home that&#039;s your affair, although I take a dim view of people who smoke around their kids.  When I was married, the ex was a smoker and he&#039;d go outside.  Even he understood.  Too many smokers don&#039;t.  When it&#039;s in public it becomes a public problem and at that point it becomes my business if I&#039;m out in public too.

So yeah.  Ban the hell out of it.  From the bars too.  There are nonsmokers who like to go out on Friday and Saturday nights.  Here in Ohio we&#039;ve solved the problem by allowing private clubs to operate which permit their patrons to smoke on the premises.  If you&#039;re not a private club, you&#039;re outta luck.

There&#039;s just no reason to ghettoize people in their own homes just because they never took up a nasty, unhealthy habit with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Re: mayors doing this boneheaded thing that Bloomberg&#039;s doing, don&#039;t forget to make a distinction between local, state, and federal laws.  If it&#039;s not covered by the federal Constitution and it&#039;s not covered by state law and if local law allows for it, then a mayor certainly *can* do it.  That&#039;s something else I do not understand, how people can go &quot;that&#039;s not constitutional&quot; when I doubt they&#039;ve ever *had* a look at their state constitution, much less their local city code.

Anyway.  My hypothesis about this little boondoggle is that if it goes through, you&#039;re going to be seeing a lot more food poisoning cases in the Big Apple.  Salt retards bacterial growth, you know.  Probably the reason they use so much of it in restaurant and industrial foods to begin with.

&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t have an issue with the government banning smoking on government property.  But for a bar, it should be up to the bar.  That&#039;s private property.  No one is forced to work there or go there.  I personally benefit from those bans -- I don&#039;t like smoke-filled rooms, either -- but I&#039;m still against them on principle.

A comedy club where I was once a regular had smoking nights and non-smoking nights, plus the early shows on weekends were non-smoking ... everyone was happy with that arrangement.    (And I couldn&#039;t help but notice that the non-smoking audiences tended to be smarter.)

States and localities were indeed intended to have the freedom to pass their own laws.  Unfortunately, Congress often passes laws it has no Constitutional authority to pass, negating local laws in the process.  So New York City has the authority to be stupid.  They just shouldn&#039;t exercise it.  That&#039;s why I was impressed when our mayor refused to ban hurricane fences.  He could have done it, but decided that&#039;s not government&#039;s job.  It&#039;s one of the reasons I love Tennessee.  No elected official from the ruling party in California ever thought anything wasn&#039;t government&#039;s job.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandfather died of a stroke in 2007.  He had high blood pressure.  He was diabetic.  My father is, I believe, hypertensive as well and on meds for it.  He is also diabetic.  My ex-husband&#8217;s grandmother had congestive heart failure when I knew her (she&#8217;s passed on now), including hypertension.  She was diabetic.  Somehow I don&#8217;t think the conditions are unrelated.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a *chronic* problem with blood pressure per se, but I know how I feel when it&#8217;s elevated, thanks to a tooth problem I had several years ago that had me in such agony the pains were shooting around to the back of my head.  Went to the ER because it was the middle of the night and my BP was 140 over something or other.  Since then, when I have been eating like crap and become really, really stressed out about something, I feel different like I did back then, and if it&#8217;s *really* bad, I get the shooting pains again.  Haven&#8217;t had those in a while now since certain stressors left my life, but I&#8217;ve had the weird feeling.  And it is always when I&#8217;ve been eating more carbs than I ought to.</p>
<p>Just a data point, I figure lots of people have similar stories to share.</p>
<p>Re: smoking bans, since it was brought up:  I want a public smoking ban, not because I care whether someone smokes or quits but because if I wanted to be a smoker, I would have taken up the habit myself.  Even if there is zero risk to me as a nonsmoker inhaling someone else&#8217;s smoke, doesn&#8217;t matter, it&#8217;s a frigging drug and I don&#8217;t want it, or else I would be smoking.  Plus, these people smoke around my child, and she&#8217;s not eighteen, so she&#8217;s too young to smoke.  If no one cares that kids being exposed to cigarette smoke isn&#8217;t a great idea, there&#8217;s always that argument.  It&#8217;s the law, don&#8217;tcha know.</p>
<p>If you smoke at home that&#8217;s your affair, although I take a dim view of people who smoke around their kids.  When I was married, the ex was a smoker and he&#8217;d go outside.  Even he understood.  Too many smokers don&#8217;t.  When it&#8217;s in public it becomes a public problem and at that point it becomes my business if I&#8217;m out in public too.</p>
<p>So yeah.  Ban the hell out of it.  From the bars too.  There are nonsmokers who like to go out on Friday and Saturday nights.  Here in Ohio we&#8217;ve solved the problem by allowing private clubs to operate which permit their patrons to smoke on the premises.  If you&#8217;re not a private club, you&#8217;re outta luck.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s just no reason to ghettoize people in their own homes just because they never took up a nasty, unhealthy habit with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.</p>
<p>Re: mayors doing this boneheaded thing that Bloomberg&#8217;s doing, don&#8217;t forget to make a distinction between local, state, and federal laws.  If it&#8217;s not covered by the federal Constitution and it&#8217;s not covered by state law and if local law allows for it, then a mayor certainly *can* do it.  That&#8217;s something else I do not understand, how people can go &#8220;that&#8217;s not constitutional&#8221; when I doubt they&#8217;ve ever *had* a look at their state constitution, much less their local city code.</p>
<p>Anyway.  My hypothesis about this little boondoggle is that if it goes through, you&#8217;re going to be seeing a lot more food poisoning cases in the Big Apple.  Salt retards bacterial growth, you know.  Probably the reason they use so much of it in restaurant and industrial foods to begin with.</p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t have an issue with the government banning smoking on government property.  But for a bar, it should be up to the bar.  That&#8217;s private property.  No one is forced to work there or go there.  I personally benefit from those bans &#8212; I don&#8217;t like smoke-filled rooms, either &#8212; but I&#8217;m still against them on principle.</p>
<p>A comedy club where I was once a regular had smoking nights and non-smoking nights, plus the early shows on weekends were non-smoking &#8230; everyone was happy with that arrangement.    (And I couldn&#8217;t help but notice that the non-smoking audiences tended to be smarter.)</p>
<p>States and localities were indeed intended to have the freedom to pass their own laws.  Unfortunately, Congress often passes laws it has no Constitutional authority to pass, negating local laws in the process.  So New York City has the authority to be stupid.  They just shouldn&#8217;t exercise it.  That&#8217;s why I was impressed when our mayor refused to ban hurricane fences.  He could have done it, but decided that&#8217;s not government&#8217;s job.  It&#8217;s one of the reasons I love Tennessee.  No elected official from the ruling party in California ever thought anything wasn&#8217;t government&#8217;s job.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Wie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Wie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a big surprise that 

a) they think they need to tell everybody what to do, and

b) they have no idea what they&#039;re doing themselves.

Now to the really important questions that arise from your well-though-out and beautifully written piece.

1) Mc Donald&#039;s has a mushroom-Swiss burger?  Really!!?? and

2) How do you manage to eat one of those without the bun to hold it all together?   I&#039;ve tried it with other burgers and it is not a pretty sight.

Oh, and yes, Sarah, the sweet tooth is heavily influenced by hormones of various sorts, and it&#039;s often much more powerful in women.  I promise it gets easier if you cut out nearly all the carbs for a while.  Really and truly.  Cross my heart.

&lt;em&gt;The mushroom-Swiss is one of their Angus third-pounders (which recently won the Food Porn award from the goofs at the CSPI).  I just ask for it without a bun.  They usually wrap some lettuce around it and put it on a plate.  I eat it with a knife and fork -- after adding salt.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a big surprise that </p>
<p>a) they think they need to tell everybody what to do, and</p>
<p>b) they have no idea what they&#8217;re doing themselves.</p>
<p>Now to the really important questions that arise from your well-though-out and beautifully written piece.</p>
<p>1) Mc Donald&#8217;s has a mushroom-Swiss burger?  Really!!?? and</p>
<p>2) How do you manage to eat one of those without the bun to hold it all together?   I&#8217;ve tried it with other burgers and it is not a pretty sight.</p>
<p>Oh, and yes, Sarah, the sweet tooth is heavily influenced by hormones of various sorts, and it&#8217;s often much more powerful in women.  I promise it gets easier if you cut out nearly all the carbs for a while.  Really and truly.  Cross my heart.</p>
<p><em>The mushroom-Swiss is one of their Angus third-pounders (which recently won the Food Porn award from the goofs at the CSPI).  I just ask for it without a bun.  They usually wrap some lettuce around it and put it on a plate.  I eat it with a knife and fork &#8212; after adding salt.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a couple questions for ya, Tom. I&#039;m a fan of the low-carb lifestyle and your movie.
Do you think that women have a tougher time with low-carb than men do? I know my bearded, chunky dad loves the taste of salt, grease, beef and cheese, and it boggles my mind why he always turns down my offers of sweets. But me and my Mom both have sweet tooths and like carbs more, and we both don&#039;t even really like the taste of a greasy, salty food.

And second, can you include beans and legumes into a low-carb diet? Or are refried beans and transfat-free peanut butter really a bad idea?

&lt;em&gt;I have noticed that more women than men seem to have a sweet tooth.  Maybe it&#039;s something hormonal; I can&#039;t say for sure.  

Beans and legumes are a tricky matter.  If you like them and tolerate them well, then it&#039;s a matter of staying within your limits for starches.  I don&#039;t seem to tolerate them very well and generally avoid them.  There&#039;s some concern that the lectins can lead to leaky gut problems, which in turn can lead to autoimmune problems.  &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a couple questions for ya, Tom. I&#8217;m a fan of the low-carb lifestyle and your movie.<br />
Do you think that women have a tougher time with low-carb than men do? I know my bearded, chunky dad loves the taste of salt, grease, beef and cheese, and it boggles my mind why he always turns down my offers of sweets. But me and my Mom both have sweet tooths and like carbs more, and we both don&#8217;t even really like the taste of a greasy, salty food.</p>
<p>And second, can you include beans and legumes into a low-carb diet? Or are refried beans and transfat-free peanut butter really a bad idea?</p>
<p><em>I have noticed that more women than men seem to have a sweet tooth.  Maybe it&#8217;s something hormonal; I can&#8217;t say for sure.  </p>
<p>Beans and legumes are a tricky matter.  If you like them and tolerate them well, then it&#8217;s a matter of staying within your limits for starches.  I don&#8217;t seem to tolerate them very well and generally avoid them.  There&#8217;s some concern that the lectins can lead to leaky gut problems, which in turn can lead to autoimmune problems.  </em></p>
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