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		<title>By: Lynda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh boy... I picked up on the sugar one straight away.  I mean you don&#039;t have to actually be a rocket scientist to realise that the type of parent who gives their kids candy to shut them up are the same kind of parents that might perhaps be raising a criminal.  These ridiculous studies are actually dangerous because some people actually believe them!!

&lt;em&gt;Exactly.  Kids who grow up to be violent criminals aren&#039;t usually raised by the most conscientious parents in the first place.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh boy&#8230; I picked up on the sugar one straight away.  I mean you don&#8217;t have to actually be a rocket scientist to realise that the type of parent who gives their kids candy to shut them up are the same kind of parents that might perhaps be raising a criminal.  These ridiculous studies are actually dangerous because some people actually believe them!!</p>
<p><em>Exactly.  Kids who grow up to be violent criminals aren&#8217;t usually raised by the most conscientious parents in the first place.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Neil Fraser-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Fraser-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the link to the Sunday Magazine in the New York Times that Laurie refers to.


http://www.nytimes.com/pages/magazine/index.html

&lt;em&gt;Quite a bit to read through.  Thanks for the link.  &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the link to the Sunday Magazine in the New York Times that Laurie refers to.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/pages/magazine/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/pages/magazine/index.html</a></p>
<p><em>Quite a bit to read through.  Thanks for the link.  </em></p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sugar and 6/2008, After I read Taubes&#039; GCBC I got it about sucrose and stopped eating it cold turkey and then 6 months later I had an epiphany about frankenfats which were first developed for the paint, varnish, and putty industries. I learned that  when new markets were sought and adding corn and soy oil to animal feed didn&#039;t pan out (experiment to feed turkeys on these oils solely!) they were added to human chow and health claims began- and continue. Then 6 months after that (about a month ago) the last piece fell into place for me. Bread, wheat and gluten is poisonous TO ME. &#039;Spark of Reason&#039; blog, &#039;Children of the Wheat&#039; and &#039;Wheat Head&#039; posts.......OMG. The food pyramid with the holy grail of grains, grains, grains, is making us fat, crazy, diseased, deformed AND ADDICTED. I don&#039;t think they cause aggression, but that&#039;s there only claim to fame. I will not be touching much less eating bread or wheat EVER again.
   I love the SUnday New York Times magazine. After all, in 2002 they published Taubes&#039; article &quot;What if it&#039;s all been a big fat lie&quot;. Today is their &#039;09 food issue. OMG again. It&#039;s all low-fat, high-carb, high-gluten CR@P. Except maybe the endpage, Lives column by ZZ Packer titled &quot;No Polenta, No Cry&quot;. She mentions Atkin&#039;s without boatloads of scorn.

&lt;em&gt;Can&#039;t say it surprises me about the NY Times food issue.  This, after all, the paper that believes Jane Brody understands nutrition science.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sugar and 6/2008, After I read Taubes&#8217; GCBC I got it about sucrose and stopped eating it cold turkey and then 6 months later I had an epiphany about frankenfats which were first developed for the paint, varnish, and putty industries. I learned that  when new markets were sought and adding corn and soy oil to animal feed didn&#8217;t pan out (experiment to feed turkeys on these oils solely!) they were added to human chow and health claims began- and continue. Then 6 months after that (about a month ago) the last piece fell into place for me. Bread, wheat and gluten is poisonous TO ME. &#8216;Spark of Reason&#8217; blog, &#8216;Children of the Wheat&#8217; and &#8216;Wheat Head&#8217; posts&#8230;&#8230;.OMG. The food pyramid with the holy grail of grains, grains, grains, is making us fat, crazy, diseased, deformed AND ADDICTED. I don&#8217;t think they cause aggression, but that&#8217;s there only claim to fame. I will not be touching much less eating bread or wheat EVER again.<br />
   I love the SUnday New York Times magazine. After all, in 2002 they published Taubes&#8217; article &#8220;What if it&#8217;s all been a big fat lie&#8221;. Today is their &#8217;09 food issue. OMG again. It&#8217;s all low-fat, high-carb, high-gluten CR@P. Except maybe the endpage, Lives column by ZZ Packer titled &#8220;No Polenta, No Cry&#8221;. She mentions Atkin&#8217;s without boatloads of scorn.</p>
<p><em>Can&#8217;t say it surprises me about the NY Times food issue.  This, after all, the paper that believes Jane Brody understands nutrition science.</em></p>
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		<title>By: donny</title>
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		<dc:creator>donny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19559132

This looks like it might be the &quot;low-carb&quot; study they&#039;re talking about.

This from the abstract is interesting;

&quot;Spline analyses revealed lowest risk among those consuming 290 to 310 g/day carbohydrates.&quot;

These guys are good. That&#039;s a very specific range. ;)

&lt;em&gt;That&#039;s the study.  So now we know:  people who recall eating 290 to 310 grams of carbohydrates yesterday are less likely to be obese.  What a solid finding.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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<p>This looks like it might be the &#8220;low-carb&#8221; study they&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>This from the abstract is interesting;</p>
<p>&#8220;Spline analyses revealed lowest risk among those consuming 290 to 310 g/day carbohydrates.&#8221;</p>
<p>These guys are good. That&#8217;s a very specific range. <img src='http://www.fathead-movie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>That&#8217;s the study.  So now we know:  people who recall eating 290 to 310 grams of carbohydrates yesterday are less likely to be obese.  What a solid finding.</em></p>
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		<title>By: kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think mezzovoice is on to something. 

Many sugary or high carb processed foods are loaded with dyes, preservatives and chemicals. I happen to be sensitive to something I consume occasionally and it has been an interest of mine over the past several years to figure out what the heck it is. What ever it is causes insomnia and a restless, slightly wired feeling, especially when I want to be sleeping. I have sorta pinned it down to preservatives, although I am a little suspicious of carbon dioxide which I thought was only in carbonated beverages, but have since found out it is in the plastic used to cover meats to keep the color from turning. Yes, I know that seems silly because its as natural as oxygen, but maybe too much of it is not good. My suspicion is that this substance, whatever it is, may be causing a chains of events which then causes a cortisol and adrenaline surge. 

In my more reckless days, if I ate half a bag of Doritos, it was a given I wasn&#039;t sleeping that nite. These days, I notice if I eat very simply with whole foods and no coffee, alcohol or carbonated beverages (even seltzer) I sleep well. Surprisingly, this issue hasn&#039;t impacted my life a whole lot; I don&#039;t seem to need much sleep. The question is- how are all these people who may be nutrition depraved and a bit unstable to begin with, reacting to all these chemicals and a poor diet... not to mention, many sleepless nights- if they were to have that symptom as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think mezzovoice is on to something. </p>
<p>Many sugary or high carb processed foods are loaded with dyes, preservatives and chemicals. I happen to be sensitive to something I consume occasionally and it has been an interest of mine over the past several years to figure out what the heck it is. What ever it is causes insomnia and a restless, slightly wired feeling, especially when I want to be sleeping. I have sorta pinned it down to preservatives, although I am a little suspicious of carbon dioxide which I thought was only in carbonated beverages, but have since found out it is in the plastic used to cover meats to keep the color from turning. Yes, I know that seems silly because its as natural as oxygen, but maybe too much of it is not good. My suspicion is that this substance, whatever it is, may be causing a chains of events which then causes a cortisol and adrenaline surge. </p>
<p>In my more reckless days, if I ate half a bag of Doritos, it was a given I wasn&#8217;t sleeping that nite. These days, I notice if I eat very simply with whole foods and no coffee, alcohol or carbonated beverages (even seltzer) I sleep well. Surprisingly, this issue hasn&#8217;t impacted my life a whole lot; I don&#8217;t seem to need much sleep. The question is- how are all these people who may be nutrition depraved and a bit unstable to begin with, reacting to all these chemicals and a poor diet&#8230; not to mention, many sleepless nights- if they were to have that symptom as well?</p>
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		<title>By: mezzovoice</title>
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		<dc:creator>mezzovoice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sugar is likely to be one of the culprits here. But we shouldn&#039;t forget that sweets and candy contain a lot more than sugar. All those colourings, flavours and other additives play a big role here. Also: people who have a lot of sugar and starch in their diet are likely to suffer from nutritional deficiencies. If you eat a lot of sugar and starch you are likely to eat food of very inferior quality so you will not get enough protein, eat a lot of bad fats and most certainly suffer from a lack of vitamins and minerals. ALL of that will have a major influence on your physical and mental wellbeing. A lot could be gained if people ate REAL food - even real chocolate instead of the frankenfood-chocolatey stuff that is out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sugar is likely to be one of the culprits here. But we shouldn&#8217;t forget that sweets and candy contain a lot more than sugar. All those colourings, flavours and other additives play a big role here. Also: people who have a lot of sugar and starch in their diet are likely to suffer from nutritional deficiencies. If you eat a lot of sugar and starch you are likely to eat food of very inferior quality so you will not get enough protein, eat a lot of bad fats and most certainly suffer from a lack of vitamins and minerals. ALL of that will have a major influence on your physical and mental wellbeing. A lot could be gained if people ate REAL food &#8211; even real chocolate instead of the frankenfood-chocolatey stuff that is out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when is 235 carbs a low carb diet? Talk about perverted definitions.

&lt;em&gt;Indeed.  And it&#039;s certainly not the first time researchers have been pretty loose with the definition.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when is 235 carbs a low carb diet? Talk about perverted definitions.</p>
<p><em>Indeed.  And it&#8217;s certainly not the first time researchers have been pretty loose with the definition.</em></p>
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		<title>By: monasmee</title>
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		<dc:creator>monasmee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes me wonder if the sugar = crime association is a leftover myth from the 70s. Remember the &quot;Twinkie defense&quot; purportedly used by Dan White&#039;s lawyer in the killing of Harvey Milk?

&quot;Twinkies were never mentioned in the courtroom during the White trial, nor did the defense ever claim that White was on a sugar rush and committed the murders as a result. Yet, one reporter&#039;s use of the term &quot;Twinkie defense&quot; caught on and stuck, leading to a persistent misunderstanding by the public that exists to this day, and was mentioned at the end of Milk, Gus Van Sant&#039;s 2008 biopic of Harvey Milk. In a bonus feature on the DVD version of The Times of Harvey Milk, a documentary on Milk&#039;s life and death, White&#039;s lawyers explain what they actually argued in court.
The actual legal defense that White&#039;s lawyers used was &quot;diminished capacity&quot; and White&#039;s consumption of junk food was presented to the jury as one of many symptoms, and not a cause, of White&#039;s depression.&quot; Wikipedia

&lt;em&gt;Interesting.  I remember the murder, but never saw the film.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me wonder if the sugar = crime association is a leftover myth from the 70s. Remember the &#8220;Twinkie defense&#8221; purportedly used by Dan White&#8217;s lawyer in the killing of Harvey Milk?</p>
<p>&#8220;Twinkies were never mentioned in the courtroom during the White trial, nor did the defense ever claim that White was on a sugar rush and committed the murders as a result. Yet, one reporter&#8217;s use of the term &#8220;Twinkie defense&#8221; caught on and stuck, leading to a persistent misunderstanding by the public that exists to this day, and was mentioned at the end of Milk, Gus Van Sant&#8217;s 2008 biopic of Harvey Milk. In a bonus feature on the DVD version of The Times of Harvey Milk, a documentary on Milk&#8217;s life and death, White&#8217;s lawyers explain what they actually argued in court.<br />
The actual legal defense that White&#8217;s lawyers used was &#8220;diminished capacity&#8221; and White&#8217;s consumption of junk food was presented to the jury as one of many symptoms, and not a cause, of White&#8217;s depression.&#8221; Wikipedia</p>
<p><em>Interesting.  I remember the murder, but never saw the film.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Nic Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They found that people with higher intakes of carbohydrates ate fewer calories but more protein, fat, and fiber than low-carb eaters consumed.&quot;

This is actually possible, because there are some oddball things that aren&#039;t usually considered carbs, fats, or protein that still have calories. Alcohol comes to mind as the most obvious. Vinegar, lots of it, are another possibility (see http://blog.nutritiondata.com/ndblog/2009/08/mysterious-calories-in-vinegar.html ). So, it&#039;s possible... but still implausible.

&lt;em&gt;Next they&#039;ll be saying restricting carbs leads to alcoholism.  At least I see the possible explanation now.  I read that sentence over and over, wondering what they were trying to say.  In looking for the study, I found an analysis of under-reporting of calories by respondents.  I coulda told them that.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They found that people with higher intakes of carbohydrates ate fewer calories but more protein, fat, and fiber than low-carb eaters consumed.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is actually possible, because there are some oddball things that aren&#8217;t usually considered carbs, fats, or protein that still have calories. Alcohol comes to mind as the most obvious. Vinegar, lots of it, are another possibility (see <a href="http://blog.nutritiondata.com/ndblog/2009/08/mysterious-calories-in-vinegar.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.nutritiondata.com/ndblog/2009/08/mysterious-calories-in-vinegar.html</a> ). So, it&#8217;s possible&#8230; but still implausible.</p>
<p><em>Next they&#8217;ll be saying restricting carbs leads to alcoholism.  At least I see the possible explanation now.  I read that sentence over and over, wondering what they were trying to say.  In looking for the study, I found an analysis of under-reporting of calories by respondents.  I coulda told them that.</em></p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too ate a lot of sugar as a kid, but have never committed a crime nor did I do poorly in school.  I did develop a craving for sugar though which made me fat and unhealthy until I discovered how good I felt without it!

And for that second study, I have to wonder what their definition of &quot;Low Carb&quot; was... I know in other studies you&#039;ve talked about their carb count was certainly not what most Low Carb dieters eat!

It&#039;s sad that people don&#039;t realize that there are so many ways to manipulate data in any type of research that is conducted...

&lt;em&gt;You got me curious about that, so I dug around until I found more info.  The analysis was based on 24-hour recall; low-carb was defined as less than 47% of energy intake.  So if my memory about what I ate yesterday told the researchers I consumed 2000 calories, they&#039;d label me as low-carb if I consumed fewer than 235 carbs.  Certainly not what I&#039;d call a low-carb diet.

They also defined overweight as BMI &gt; 25.  You know how I feel about that measurement.

So here&#039;s what we actually know from the study:  People whose caloric intake the day before the survey consisted of less than 47% carbohydrates (based on their recall) were somewhat more likely to have a BMI of greater than 25.  Boy, I guess that proves it:  low-carb diets make you fat.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too ate a lot of sugar as a kid, but have never committed a crime nor did I do poorly in school.  I did develop a craving for sugar though which made me fat and unhealthy until I discovered how good I felt without it!</p>
<p>And for that second study, I have to wonder what their definition of &#8220;Low Carb&#8221; was&#8230; I know in other studies you&#8217;ve talked about their carb count was certainly not what most Low Carb dieters eat!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad that people don&#8217;t realize that there are so many ways to manipulate data in any type of research that is conducted&#8230;</p>
<p><em>You got me curious about that, so I dug around until I found more info.  The analysis was based on 24-hour recall; low-carb was defined as less than 47% of energy intake.  So if my memory about what I ate yesterday told the researchers I consumed 2000 calories, they&#8217;d label me as low-carb if I consumed fewer than 235 carbs.  Certainly not what I&#8217;d call a low-carb diet.</p>
<p>They also defined overweight as BMI > 25.  You know how I feel about that measurement.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s what we actually know from the study:  People whose caloric intake the day before the survey consisted of less than 47% carbohydrates (based on their recall) were somewhat more likely to have a BMI of greater than 25.  Boy, I guess that proves it:  low-carb diets make you fat.</em></p>
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