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	<title>Comments on: Bonus Footage: Sugar and Starch</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answering the question &quot;how will we feed everybody&quot; typically starts with the debate between being vegetarian on one side and concentrated animal feed operations (CAFO) on the other.

The idea that protein and fat are &quot;too expensive&quot; to feed the world is a bit of a myth plus some miscalculation, addressed by ex-vegetarian Lierre Kieth in her book _The Vegetarian Myth_. For example, the math for the amount of land and water it takes to raise cows assumes that you&#039;re feeding grain to the cows. Raising cattle on grass instead means they graze on marginal land unsuited to farming, making use of more land overall.

Maybe we can feed 6B, maybe not, but the &quot;conventional wisdom&quot; starts with some bad assumptions.

Dr Mike Eades recommended Lierre&#039;s book here:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipid-hypothesis/the-vegetarian-myth/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answering the question &#8220;how will we feed everybody&#8221; typically starts with the debate between being vegetarian on one side and concentrated animal feed operations (CAFO) on the other.</p>
<p>The idea that protein and fat are &#8220;too expensive&#8221; to feed the world is a bit of a myth plus some miscalculation, addressed by ex-vegetarian Lierre Kieth in her book _The Vegetarian Myth_. For example, the math for the amount of land and water it takes to raise cows assumes that you&#8217;re feeding grain to the cows. Raising cattle on grass instead means they graze on marginal land unsuited to farming, making use of more land overall.</p>
<p>Maybe we can feed 6B, maybe not, but the &#8220;conventional wisdom&#8221; starts with some bad assumptions.</p>
<p>Dr Mike Eades recommended Lierre&#8217;s book here:<br />
<a href="http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipid-hypothesis/the-vegetarian-myth/" rel="nofollow">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipid-hypothesis/the-vegetarian-myth/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anand Srivastava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anand Srivastava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the starch and sugar thing, I agree with Jonathan. I guess you need to read the latest post of Don on http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2009/08/primal-potatoes-part-1.html

We all did evolve on Starches, from the Tubers. So yes our body will not develop any bad effects solely from simple starch. Yes grains have many other things in addition to starch that cause problems. White Rice and potatoes are not bad though, as long as you don&#039;t have insulin resistance or leptin resistance.

Both Insulin resistance and leptin resistance are caused by Fructose. The high Omega 6 in our diet is the main culprit that causes damage to the Liver and arteries. Giving up these two will allow a person to become healthy. Even fat loss will come but slowly. Fat loss can be enhanced by keeping insulin low for a long time. Low carb diets keep the insulin low forever, so are very conducive to losing fat.

My personal theory is that humans cannot handle a large amount of protein. I would think that anything above 100gms of protein per day on an average human is too much. The excess will get converted to glucose, at some cost to the body. The fuel for the body must come from fat or starch. Fat is the preferred source, but starch is acceptable. Complex carbs keep the insulin high for a longer time and are not entirely acceptable.

Potatoes and Rice are not nutrient source, they are just fuel sources. Nutrients must come from animal sources. Plants are poor sources of nutrients for humans.

&lt;em&gt;Interesting article about the tubers.  What would be interesting to know is if humans with access to tubers ate them preferentially or considered them a food of last resort.  Dr. Al Sears told me the hunter-gatherer tribes he&#039;s observed eat plant foods when the hunting is poor.

Too much protein with too little fat is definitely a bad idea.  It can lead to &quot;rabbit starvation.&quot;  &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the starch and sugar thing, I agree with Jonathan. I guess you need to read the latest post of Don on <a href="http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2009/08/primal-potatoes-part-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2009/08/primal-potatoes-part-1.html</a></p>
<p>We all did evolve on Starches, from the Tubers. So yes our body will not develop any bad effects solely from simple starch. Yes grains have many other things in addition to starch that cause problems. White Rice and potatoes are not bad though, as long as you don&#8217;t have insulin resistance or leptin resistance.</p>
<p>Both Insulin resistance and leptin resistance are caused by Fructose. The high Omega 6 in our diet is the main culprit that causes damage to the Liver and arteries. Giving up these two will allow a person to become healthy. Even fat loss will come but slowly. Fat loss can be enhanced by keeping insulin low for a long time. Low carb diets keep the insulin low forever, so are very conducive to losing fat.</p>
<p>My personal theory is that humans cannot handle a large amount of protein. I would think that anything above 100gms of protein per day on an average human is too much. The excess will get converted to glucose, at some cost to the body. The fuel for the body must come from fat or starch. Fat is the preferred source, but starch is acceptable. Complex carbs keep the insulin high for a longer time and are not entirely acceptable.</p>
<p>Potatoes and Rice are not nutrient source, they are just fuel sources. Nutrients must come from animal sources. Plants are poor sources of nutrients for humans.</p>
<p><em>Interesting article about the tubers.  What would be interesting to know is if humans with access to tubers ate them preferentially or considered them a food of last resort.  Dr. Al Sears told me the hunter-gatherer tribes he&#8217;s observed eat plant foods when the hunting is poor.</p>
<p>Too much protein with too little fat is definitely a bad idea.  It can lead to &#8220;rabbit starvation.&#8221;  </em></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“There are populations who have adapted to the local starches over the millennia.” 

If all carbs are bad for us then this would represent a massive change in the way their bodies’ process food. These people eat high carb diets (even by today’s standards) with no signs of insulin sensitivity, overweight or heart attack. This would not be the case if all carbs are bad for us.
 
The Japanese are also an example of this.

One thing that these two cultures have in common is a very low intake of sugar and bad fats (omega 6) – both horrible for the human body as you discussed in your documentary. I believe that these two things lead to insulin resistance and not a high intake of easily digestible carbohydrate.

I think you’d find that if you put these two cultures on a diet of flour and sugar - even if you kept there carb levels static - they would soon gain weight and show other signs of metabolic syndrome.  

- Jonathan

Ps. I just finished your documentary and enjoyed it immensely – I’m glad that there are people out there trying to educate the public against the dogma.

&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t think all carbs are created equal, either.  The more refined, the worse they are.  Sugar, HFCS and white flour will definitely lead to insulin resistance more rapidly.

I don&#039;t have any data on the population you described, but I do know that Asians typically don&#039;t consume as many carbohydrates as Americans, even with the rice in their diets.  One analysis I saw stated that the average intake for an Asian male is about 1800 calories, including fat and protein.  The average American consumes 500 grams of carbohydrates per day, which is 2000 calories for just one macronutrient.

If I had known to avoid sugar and flour in my youth, I could probably eat starchy root vegetables and such today without producing insulin spikes.  But unfortunately, once you&#039;ve become insulin-resistant, your ability to handle starches from any source is limited.

Glad you enjoyed the film.&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“There are populations who have adapted to the local starches over the millennia.” </p>
<p>If all carbs are bad for us then this would represent a massive change in the way their bodies’ process food. These people eat high carb diets (even by today’s standards) with no signs of insulin sensitivity, overweight or heart attack. This would not be the case if all carbs are bad for us.</p>
<p>The Japanese are also an example of this.</p>
<p>One thing that these two cultures have in common is a very low intake of sugar and bad fats (omega 6) – both horrible for the human body as you discussed in your documentary. I believe that these two things lead to insulin resistance and not a high intake of easily digestible carbohydrate.</p>
<p>I think you’d find that if you put these two cultures on a diet of flour and sugar &#8211; even if you kept there carb levels static &#8211; they would soon gain weight and show other signs of metabolic syndrome.  </p>
<p>- Jonathan</p>
<p>Ps. I just finished your documentary and enjoyed it immensely – I’m glad that there are people out there trying to educate the public against the dogma.</p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t think all carbs are created equal, either.  The more refined, the worse they are.  Sugar, HFCS and white flour will definitely lead to insulin resistance more rapidly.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any data on the population you described, but I do know that Asians typically don&#8217;t consume as many carbohydrates as Americans, even with the rice in their diets.  One analysis I saw stated that the average intake for an Asian male is about 1800 calories, including fat and protein.  The average American consumes 500 grams of carbohydrates per day, which is 2000 calories for just one macronutrient.</p>
<p>If I had known to avoid sugar and flour in my youth, I could probably eat starchy root vegetables and such today without producing insulin spikes.  But unfortunately, once you&#8217;ve become insulin-resistant, your ability to handle starches from any source is limited.</p>
<p>Glad you enjoyed the film.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not strictly true.  Starches are digested and converted into glucose in the body whereas sucrose (table sugar) is made up of both glucose AND fructose.
Fructose is metabolised in the liver and has been shown to be detrimental to the body in large amounts. 

I believe that if your body hasn&#039;t become insulin resistant then any starch you eat will simply be processed by your body to no ill effect. This is seen in the Kitavans who get 69% of their calories from high-glycemic index carbohydrates (mostly starchy root vegetables). 
source:http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/11/fructose-index-is-new-glycemic-index.html

However if you are insulin resistant (if your overweight) then any amount of sugar/starch will increase blood sugar leading to increased insulin and increased fat storage. 

- Jonathan

&lt;em&gt;
There are populations who have adapted to the local starches over the millennia.  Even in America, about a quarter of the population is apparently (for lack of a better term) resistant to becoming insulin resistant. Those people are like my son, who can live on junk food and soda and never gain a pound.  He didn&#039;t inherit this trait from me, of course; his mother (not my wife) used to drink a dozen or more beers every day and never gained a pound either.  But no one would point to her as proof that beer doesn&#039;t make people fat.

If starches are broken down into glucose and a load of glucose in the blood requires insulin to bring blood sugar under control, then the body could become insulin resistant over time if it&#039;s repeatedly exposed to high levels of glucose, whatever the source.  The effect is probably more dramatic among those of us whose ancestors weren&#039;t exposed to starches until relatively recently.  

I agree that too much fructose is bad news for the liver.  I suspect that high fructose corn syrup, with its slightly higher proportion of fructose (55% versus 50% in table sugar) may have tipped the balance towards more obesity and more liver disease.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not strictly true.  Starches are digested and converted into glucose in the body whereas sucrose (table sugar) is made up of both glucose AND fructose.<br />
Fructose is metabolised in the liver and has been shown to be detrimental to the body in large amounts. </p>
<p>I believe that if your body hasn&#8217;t become insulin resistant then any starch you eat will simply be processed by your body to no ill effect. This is seen in the Kitavans who get 69% of their calories from high-glycemic index carbohydrates (mostly starchy root vegetables).<br />
source:<a href="http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/11/fructose-index-is-new-glycemic-index.html" rel="nofollow">http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/11/fructose-index-is-new-glycemic-index.html</a></p>
<p>However if you are insulin resistant (if your overweight) then any amount of sugar/starch will increase blood sugar leading to increased insulin and increased fat storage. </p>
<p>- Jonathan</p>
<p><em><br />
There are populations who have adapted to the local starches over the millennia.  Even in America, about a quarter of the population is apparently (for lack of a better term) resistant to becoming insulin resistant. Those people are like my son, who can live on junk food and soda and never gain a pound.  He didn&#8217;t inherit this trait from me, of course; his mother (not my wife) used to drink a dozen or more beers every day and never gained a pound either.  But no one would point to her as proof that beer doesn&#8217;t make people fat.</p>
<p>If starches are broken down into glucose and a load of glucose in the blood requires insulin to bring blood sugar under control, then the body could become insulin resistant over time if it&#8217;s repeatedly exposed to high levels of glucose, whatever the source.  The effect is probably more dramatic among those of us whose ancestors weren&#8217;t exposed to starches until relatively recently.  </p>
<p>I agree that too much fructose is bad news for the liver.  I suspect that high fructose corn syrup, with its slightly higher proportion of fructose (55% versus 50% in table sugar) may have tipped the balance towards more obesity and more liver disease.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Purdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Purdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a quite interesting video about starches and sugars. I&#039;m trying to eat a low-carb diet, and that information was very useful. Thanks.

&lt;em&gt;Good luck with the diet.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a quite interesting video about starches and sugars. I&#8217;m trying to eat a low-carb diet, and that information was very useful. Thanks.</p>
<p><em>Good luck with the diet.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Kamal Syed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamal Syed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I talked to a friend the other day who&#039;s a doctor. I talked about the issue of society/government promoting a high carb diet. He agreed that its not necessarily good for you (its probably bad for you), but he thinks the reason we can&#039;t promote a high-protein / high-fat diet, is that its too expensive!

If the third world ate a high-protein/high-fat diet, we would not be able to support the world&#039;s population&#039;s food supply. Since carbs are cheap, governments need to promote high carb diets as the only way to affordably feed the world.

Interesting, but since I can afford to eat better, I definitely will be.

MKS

&lt;em&gt;I think he may have a point.  Grains are what allowed the world population to grow to 6 billion.  If I lived in an impoverished country, I&#039;d rather eat wheat or rice than starve.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talked to a friend the other day who&#8217;s a doctor. I talked about the issue of society/government promoting a high carb diet. He agreed that its not necessarily good for you (its probably bad for you), but he thinks the reason we can&#8217;t promote a high-protein / high-fat diet, is that its too expensive!</p>
<p>If the third world ate a high-protein/high-fat diet, we would not be able to support the world&#8217;s population&#8217;s food supply. Since carbs are cheap, governments need to promote high carb diets as the only way to affordably feed the world.</p>
<p>Interesting, but since I can afford to eat better, I definitely will be.</p>
<p>MKS</p>
<p><em>I think he may have a point.  Grains are what allowed the world population to grow to 6 billion.  If I lived in an impoverished country, I&#8217;d rather eat wheat or rice than starve.</em></p>
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		<title>By: gallier2</title>
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		<dc:creator>gallier2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A must read, the review of The China Study from Chris Masterjohn

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

&lt;em&gt;Good stuff.  Thanks for the link.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A must read, the review of The China Study from Chris Masterjohn</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html</a></p>
<p><em>Good stuff.  Thanks for the link.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jeromie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeromie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I was a little ticked off today because I was trying to find information about peanut butter. According to the China Study, they found that peanut butter was really bad for your intestines. I came across a blog that pushed a vegan diet and even quoted Spurlocks book about how he &quot;Detoxified&quot; himself by becoming vegan and really pushes no protein. Same thing as the movie &quot;A Beautiful Truth&quot; which has some awesome stuff, but pushes a vegan diet at the end of it too. Do you know much about the China study and what the chance, bias, and confounding might be for the study? I would like to have a summary of the important stuff like what they ate (and what percentages) and how they could&#039;ve seen the results even if protein was absent from the diet. It may not be possible, but I would appreciate the help! Thank you!

&lt;em&gt;Haven&#039;t heard of it, but I&#039;ll see what I can find.  Now you&#039;ve got me curious about it...&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was a little ticked off today because I was trying to find information about peanut butter. According to the China Study, they found that peanut butter was really bad for your intestines. I came across a blog that pushed a vegan diet and even quoted Spurlocks book about how he &#8220;Detoxified&#8221; himself by becoming vegan and really pushes no protein. Same thing as the movie &#8220;A Beautiful Truth&#8221; which has some awesome stuff, but pushes a vegan diet at the end of it too. Do you know much about the China study and what the chance, bias, and confounding might be for the study? I would like to have a summary of the important stuff like what they ate (and what percentages) and how they could&#8217;ve seen the results even if protein was absent from the diet. It may not be possible, but I would appreciate the help! Thank you!</p>
<p><em>Haven&#8217;t heard of it, but I&#8217;ll see what I can find.  Now you&#8217;ve got me curious about it&#8230;</em></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not seeing the videos using firefox? are they in the entry or a separate page on the site?

&lt;em&gt;No, it&#039;s YouTube, embedded. I&#039;m using FireFox, and it&#039;s there.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not seeing the videos using firefox? are they in the entry or a separate page on the site?</p>
<p><em>No, it&#8217;s YouTube, embedded. I&#8217;m using FireFox, and it&#8217;s there.</em></p>
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		<title>By: andy barge</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy barge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant video again! One of the reasons diabetes may be on the rise is because of programmes like this in the UK. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqZPwNypZc

I dont know if you have seen this before but it annoyed the hell out of me!

&lt;em&gt;Oh my god, that&#039;s horrible!  And people I think I was paid by McDonald&#039;s ... this video is a commercial for Kellogg&#039;s.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant video again! One of the reasons diabetes may be on the rise is because of programmes like this in the UK. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqZPwNypZc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqZPwNypZc</a></p>
<p>I dont know if you have seen this before but it annoyed the hell out of me!</p>
<p><em>Oh my god, that&#8217;s horrible!  And people I think I was paid by McDonald&#8217;s &#8230; this video is a commercial for Kellogg&#8217;s.</em></p>
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